07 pipe guard
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SpeedyManiac
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I'd recommend a hyde racing skid plate/pipe guard combo. Better than aluminum or carbon fibre.
Ud_luz
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The problem with the Hyde is the plastic bends trashing the frame rails. I've been down that road before with a Hyde on a KTM. We ride areas that have serious drop off ledges which are really hard on skid plates. I even welded extra aluminum to my Montesa trials bike plate for this very reason.
The Hyde looks like the best protection for the pipe but pipes are cheaper than frames.
GMP
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Check out www.whipps.com.au
They make the cage style like I've seen in Hawaii. They list to '04 but that part of the frame was not changed. Other than that, none except for the universal bend it yourself type. Perhaps weld some supports from one of those to an alloy skid plate for additional support.
They make the cage style like I've seen in Hawaii. They list to '04 but that part of the frame was not changed. Other than that, none except for the universal bend it yourself type. Perhaps weld some supports from one of those to an alloy skid plate for additional support.
With reports of the Hyde allowing the frame rails to bend I have been tinking of beefing it up a bit. I am thinking of adding either another layer of plastic or some frame sliders in the form of plastic strip that run the length of the frame rail outside the plate. Kind of like skids that would distribute the load. If and when I get around to it I'll post some pics.
Paul B
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GMP
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I think you have to hit something extreme to do that. I cased mine out several times with no damage, but I also consider line selection and do not just toss the bike in the rocks. On my '03 with a Flatland plate (thick), I ran over a flat rock that the front tire lifted and caught the plate, jacking the bike off the ground and almost pitching me off. The plate was badly dinged, weld cracked, and the side rail under the clutch cover creased slightly. Point is there will always be something you can hit that will defeat the armor you have.
If your interested in trying something what about some aluminum pipe sections, cut lengthwise, and mounted over the frame rails under the Hyde?
If your interested in trying something what about some aluminum pipe sections, cut lengthwise, and mounted over the frame rails under the Hyde?
Ud_luz
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You must not ride in the type of terrain we do. Arkansas, Missouri and Colorado are really hard on bikes. Unless there's no choice I don't bother with those ridiculous carbon fiber pipe guards or plastic skid plates. My buddies in Tennessee and Virginia swear by this stuff but it will die quickly on rocky Ozark trails. Flatland plates are good but pulling them off and welding another piece of aluminum plate or hammering them back out occasionally is a good idea.
Good armor is really worthwhile. How many times have you broken chain guides or bent carrier mounted rear shark fins? Not uncommon around here.
Good armor is really worthwhile. How many times have you broken chain guides or bent carrier mounted rear shark fins? Not uncommon around here.
GMP
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Myself, and the NETRA guys here live in and ride plenty of rocks. I've seen the pics and videos of Brock Creek and it looks just like my backyard, not to mention Hancock, NY and the WEC sections. Cruiser's stuff in PA is no cake walk either. Perhaps I'm just eaiser on my bikes in this respect, as I'm never absolutely sure when I can get a new one. I could wreck a bike fast here too if I leaped without looking. Racing is another matter, but the races are usually not as extreme as our trail riding. BTW, If you want to see some terrain REALLY hard on bikes, ride in Kauai. I'll agree that if I dropped off a three foot ledge onto another rock and cased the bike, the frame would probably take a beating with the Hyde. An alloy plate may be better but your still transferring all the energy to the frame rails.
I've destroyed both Flatland and CRD plates, and hammering them straight was regular maintanence. CF pipe guards are only good for protecting against smaller dents, and that only when new. They also trap a lot of mud and contribute to the pipe corroding underneath. The classic KTM style chain guide is crap. The aluminum frame bends and your screwed. The OEM GG guide flexes. The LTR mount for the Honda XR guide is great, as the guide itself flexes and returns and better protects the rear sprocket. I now run the Scotts one piece shark fin/carrier, but have previously WELDED the bolt on EE or Moose fins to the OEM carrier. If you bend it, you can bend it back with a tire iron in the slots.
If you know what works for you just do it. There is nothing that you can't get for this bike that you can get for a KTM as far as pipe protection. If you have the bucks, get a Hyde combo or Whipps and a Mecasystem alloy plate, and build a hybrid.
I've destroyed both Flatland and CRD plates, and hammering them straight was regular maintanence. CF pipe guards are only good for protecting against smaller dents, and that only when new. They also trap a lot of mud and contribute to the pipe corroding underneath. The classic KTM style chain guide is crap. The aluminum frame bends and your screwed. The OEM GG guide flexes. The LTR mount for the Honda XR guide is great, as the guide itself flexes and returns and better protects the rear sprocket. I now run the Scotts one piece shark fin/carrier, but have previously WELDED the bolt on EE or Moose fins to the OEM carrier. If you bend it, you can bend it back with a tire iron in the slots.
If you know what works for you just do it. There is nothing that you can't get for this bike that you can get for a KTM as far as pipe protection. If you have the bucks, get a Hyde combo or Whipps and a Mecasystem alloy plate, and build a hybrid.
Ud_luz
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I'm picking up a Mecca from one of the site sponsors. Still need to find a good aluminum pipe guard.
You're right about KTM's chain guide. It's really easy to snap the tabs off the swingarm. I've broken them off my 04 twice.
How did you deal with the alignment of the LTR guide? It's offset towards the inside on the 07. I stacked some washers up to offset it back but I'm not sure how much that will affect the strength.
You're right about KTM's chain guide. It's really easy to snap the tabs off the swingarm. I've broken them off my 04 twice.
How did you deal with the alignment of the LTR guide? It's offset towards the inside on the 07. I stacked some washers up to offset it back but I'm not sure how much that will affect the strength.
Ud_luz
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Flatland skid plates on my 04 400exc and 07 200xcw. I had a Flatland aluminum pipe guard on my 04 200exc and have a carbon fiber piece of trash on the 07 200xc-w. The pipe is well dented on the 07.
I have welded an extra aluminum plate on the skid plates of both bikes because the frames are bashed in.
I really ought to ride my trials bike more.
Skidad
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I talked to Flatland about building me a pipe guard for a Pro Circuit PC2 pipe for my 97 250 KTM since no carbon fiber guard was available. He said no problem at all just send him the pipe and he would build one up to fit. I was going to have the pipe dropped shipped from Pro Circuit directly to Flatland, he would build the guard and send it along to me in MA. Turns out the guy at Pro Curcuit was wrong from our first conversation and they did not have that pipe for my bike after all when I went to order it. Dam, stuck with the FMF Gnarly. Really wanted to try the PC2 pipe.
Point is if you bring your pipe in or send it to Flatland (your both in Kansas) they will build/bend you up a nice aluminum guard for the pipe. Maybe if you want something a little special they can do it as well. Do you not like the Flatland guard? Not allot of other options really for aluminum.
Hyde Racing is passing up a chunk of business not building pipe guards as a seperate piece and forcing you to buy the combo package. As nice as the combo may be many people still prefer a heavy duty aluminum skid plate over the plastic. I would like to see them build seperate pipe guards as well as the combos. IMO it would be better than either the carbon or aluminum guards.
Skidad in MA
Point is if you bring your pipe in or send it to Flatland (your both in Kansas) they will build/bend you up a nice aluminum guard for the pipe. Maybe if you want something a little special they can do it as well. Do you not like the Flatland guard? Not allot of other options really for aluminum.
Hyde Racing is passing up a chunk of business not building pipe guards as a seperate piece and forcing you to buy the combo package. As nice as the combo may be many people still prefer a heavy duty aluminum skid plate over the plastic. I would like to see them build seperate pipe guards as well as the combos. IMO it would be better than either the carbon or aluminum guards.
Skidad in MA
