1999 MC250 Serial # 1

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A collector friend has entrusted me with the first MC250 imported to North America. He used to own a dealership and purchased it after the first race tour. I believe the bike was written up in Dirt World for the launch of Gas Gas MC line. Does anyone have any information on the write up issue or perhaps a copy of it? I want to authenticate that this was indeed the first MC250 imported. The article has a picture of the bike which will show identifiing marks.

Any thoughts on what to do with this bike? Seems a shame to ride it, or to hide it in a basement.

Thanks for any information or advice.

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What do you base this on? Seems to contradict a lot of other evidence. Some of which was on this board.

MattR posted a Gas Gas history thread in which he stated "(Prior to 1999 the MC was known as the MX.)"

So, when was the first MC line introduced to N. America? And does anyone recall a write up in a national magazine about the new MC line?

Thanks you for your reply though.
 
The 98 MC250 may make sense for a release date of 1999. I see no technical data for the 98 or 99 MC250 models. Then nothing until 2002? This fits with the launch story I was aware of for the MC250 launch in N. America. Like I stated before, I am in search of all historical information.

Are you aware of any dealers that were around at that time and are currently active? They may be a way to get a better glimpse into the Gas Gas history. The previous owner has a lot of credibility IMO. He was a dealer, and very invested in the performance, growth, and development of the brand. As a collector, he has very refined taste and interest in unique bikes as well. He purchased the Bike from the factory race support team at the end of the race tour and it he had Manufacture's Statement of Origin and assorted documetation to support that it was the first import.

He could not produce the national magazine article (yet), but thinks it was Dirt World. The article has the remaining identification details as well as a clear description of Gas Gas's product line and promotional efforts.

So, if you have any information or where to look for it would be appreciated. I have yet to see any information that would dispute that this is the #1 serial number bike and the prototype used to launch the new MC250 line. Other than the 2 comments on this post. I have seen no information to suggest that there was a 97 MC250 produced for N. America as stated prior in the thread. However, I am not saying it is not possible!

I am aware that the development and commercialization of motorvehicle product is not always a clean and clear process, hence, a prototype classification ( or several prototypes). And sometimes these prototypes had a mish mash of parts due to engineering, sourcing, or part availabillty circumstances.

As is, the current body of evidence leads me to believe it is the first MC250 model imported and it was used for a race circuit tour (of note, the rider suffered a season ending race injury that cut the tour short). This bike also has a 4 speed gearbox, which was deemed to be a poor fit for N. American tracks and later changed for this market, but not the Euro market.

Again, I really appreciate your, and the other member's, comments that this IS NOT THE first N. American imported MC250. I invite others to share their opinions and any clues to this 20 year old Gas Gas mystery. Please forward forward any opinions, information, or contacts that may help. Please share this information within the Gas Gas community as well. Much of the information being sought was in the early days of the internet and those with firsthand knowledge may not have transitioned to the internet shift. That is why I am appealing to the internet Gas Gas community to reach out to the broader community. It could make for some great threads and usher in a wealth of information not currently in the electronic format.

Gas Gas is a great motorcycle product IMO and a great story which deserves preservation! Who better to lead this effort than the current leaders of this community?

Thank you Webmaster. And thank you to allfrom senior members to new members in the community.

Legacy
 
The 98 MC250 may make sense for a release date of 1999. I see no technical data for the 98 or 99 MC250 models. Then nothing until 2002? This fits with the launch story I was aware of for the MC250 launch in N. America. Like I stated before, I am in search of all historical information.



Are you aware of any dealers that were around at that time and are currently active? They may be a way to get a better glimpse into the Gas Gas history. The previous owner has a lot of credibility IMO. He was a dealer, and very invested in the performance, growth, and development of the brand. As a collector, he has very refined taste and interest in unique bikes as well. He purchased the Bike from the factory race support team at the end of the race tour and it he had Manufacture's Statement of Origin and assorted documetation to support that it was the first import.



He could not produce the national magazine article (yet), but thinks it was Dirt World. The article has the remaining identification details as well as a clear description of Gas Gas's product line and promotional efforts.



So, if you have any information or where to look for it would be appreciated. I have yet to see any information that would dispute that this is the #1 serial number bike and the prototype used to launch the new MC250 line. Other than the 2 comments on this post. I have seen no information to suggest that there was a 97 MC250 produced for N. America as stated prior in the thread. However, I am not saying it is not possible!



I am aware that the development and commercialization of motorvehicle product is not always a clean and clear process, hence, a prototype classification ( or several prototypes). And sometimes these prototypes had a mish mash of parts due to engineering, sourcing, or part availabillty circumstances.



As is, the current body of evidence leads me to believe it is the first MC250 model imported and it was used for a race circuit tour (of note, the rider suffered a season ending race injury that cut the tour short). This bike also has a 4 speed gearbox, which was deemed to be a poor fit for N. American tracks and later changed for this market, but not the Euro market.



Again, I really appreciate your, and the other member's, comments that this IS NOT THE first N. American imported MC250. I invite others to share their opinions and any clues to this 20 year old Gas Gas mystery. Please forward forward any opinions, information, or contacts that may help. Please share this information within the Gas Gas community as well. Much of the information being sought was in the early days of the internet and those with firsthand knowledge may not have transitioned to the internet shift. That is why I am appealing to the internet Gas Gas community to reach out to the broader community. It could make for some great threads and usher in a wealth of information not currently in the electronic format.



Gas Gas is a great motorcycle product IMO and a great story which deserves preservation! Who better to lead this effort than the current leaders of this community?



Thank you Webmaster. And thank you to allfrom senior members to new members in the community.



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Jim Cook responded to you on your other thread on this subject. He was a GG dealer from day one and seemed to provide all the facts you need. While it may indeed be the first in a production run, it is very unlikely that it is anything special.


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Please don't take offense, but....

I'll agree with the other responses here in saying that it is "nothing special" (regardless of it's provenance). I also think you should just ride it....

jeff
 
Thanks Memphis2857,

I may not have found Jim's post. Since it is a Gas Gas, wouldn't that make it something special? I know that dirtbike collector pieces are unlike cars and streetbikes, but I would consider it pretty cool to have the first production bike of a any line. But that is me, I am nostalgic about this stuff. It was once a top of the line machine with a solid badge.

If I were a collector or dealer, I would be interested in it. But to each his own.

Thanks.
 
Thanks Memphis2857,



I may not have found Jim's post. Since it is a Gas Gas, wouldn't that make it something special? I know that dirtbike collector pieces are unlike cars and streetbikes, but I would consider it pretty cool to have the first production bike of a any line. But that is me, I am nostalgic about this stuff. It was once a top of the line machine with a solid badge.



If I were a collector or dealer, I would be interested in it. But to each his own.



Thanks.



If it is special to you, that’s all that matters. Guess what I was saying is this, you don’t have something that has added value because of what it is. It’s pretty darn cool to have serial #1, the bike is in great shape, and like you said it’s a GG. Put it on display, hang it from the ceiling, or just ride it and enjoy the heck out of it. Just don’t try to sell it with some inflated price.


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If it is special to you, that?s all that matters. Guess what I was saying is this, you don?t have something that has added value because of what it is. It?s pretty darn cool to have serial #1, the bike is in great shape, and like you said it?s a GG. Put it on display, hang it from the ceiling, or just ride it and enjoy the heck out of it. Just don?t try to sell it with some inflated price.

Well said...

Jeff
 
I have not thought about selling it. Trade it, perhaps? But, I think it would be a cool piece to display in the right venue. I am not sure that I would feel good about riding it and risking damage to it. Funny, to be worried about a dirt bike condition. If anyone has advice on a good venue for it, please let me know. Who knows, maybe I could trade it for a vintage Penton?

I appreciate the fair balance advise and information from this forum.

Legacy
 
One day I’m going to have what my friends call a “Unicorn Room”

It’ll be a room with oddball bikes that only I care about. ATK406. EBR1125 etc

This would fit into that
 
Check your GasGas history before you get to crazy about feeling "oobligated or entrusted" to preserve this thing.
I'm not talking about the history of that particular model or its launch into the American market.
GasGas was a trials bike company that just couldn't help themselves and built some very very very cool Enduro machines.
Check the history of some of these early Gassers.
The majority of which were ISDE bikes and niche Euro Enduro stuff.

These early bikes would appeal to GasGas collectors and be more the type of bikes you may see on a shelf or hanging from the ceiling.

To be truly collectable a bike would need a pedigree or be the first one of a run of bikes that say won a world championship maybe.Or some famous rider showed up with the thing at a race worthy of some note and beat a bunch of other famous riders asses on something nobody heard of before or weren't supposed to win on.
These are just a few examples of what would make the bike "collectable".
Bottom line is that it doesn't meet any of the criteria for that.
Its not even in mint condition.

Its cool I like it.But its not a show piece or anything that great in the world of motorcycle collecting.
Its something you'd have to tell people about and educate them about and blah blah blah about.And then only then would you maybe convince somebody the thing is special.And they wouldn't know much about bikes.

Collectable bikes speak for themselves.
The guys that know bikes know them when they see them.
You don't have to make a case for them.

Enjoy the thing.That's the true value of that bike.
If you start whooping everybody you ride with asses on the thing then the whole 1st one ever imported thing you hit them with might poke the wound some.
You could have some fun with that.
Tripping over the thing the next 5 years looking for a home for that thing.
Not so much fun.

You could also wait another 15 years or so until they have a vintage class for that thing.Be kinda fun to rail that thing in that kinda "venue"

I'm not beating up the bike.Or devaluing what you think you have.
I'm merely suggesting you find a way to enjoy the thing.

If the guys on the GasGas site aren't getting to excited about it.Trust me.Its gonna be a hard sell getting somebody else excited about it.

I'm also the kind of guy who although a vintage Penton is cool as shit.
And is much more collectable.
Would rather ride the crap out of that Gasser then trip over a Penton sitting in my garage the rest of my life.Been there done that. Way overrated.
Or go to bike shows with the thing and blah blah with a bunch of has beens and listen to their bs story's all day.

Think-live like you were dying.
Hope this helps.

BTW does anybody have the link to that GasGas vintage enduro website?
 
BTW does anybody have the link to that GasGas vintage enduro website?

Jim Snell over at rising sun imports used to have a gasgas museum web page(s) showing his collection of old trials bikes, etc. He is now importer for a different brand - so I don't see this any longer....

GasGas factory has a "museum" showing different bikes through their history. You can see an article that references it and has a picture of it on retrotrials.com


jeff
 
Sounds familiar.
Their was a site that had all the Gasser Enduro models through the late 80s and early 90s.
Some really Bitchin bikes.
Thats what got me looking at GasGas originally.
Every year the bikes were different colors and setups.
And all those crazy 80s early 90s colors and graphics.
Awesome.
ISDE bikes.
 
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