E-start owners speak up

Bobt250

Bobt250

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KTM 2 stroke starters seem to be a bit of a problem.

Are the 2 stroke GG starters working well so far?
 
For what I've seen so far it should be considerably better than KTM's although they use the same hardware. The big difference is that GG setup does not uses the intermediate gearing KTM's have which in my opinion is the source of its problems. If I'm correct, GG's starter actuates directly on the bendix, much more reliable IMHO.
 
I only started mine a few times on the button to try it out. The engine fires a second after it engages. It's not like a 4t where you hold the button down. Just give it a jab and it's running. It was cool out and it fired without needing the choke.
 
That's the sound it makes when it doesn't engage with the flywheel. You'll notice how quick it starts right after. As others have said, a fully charged battery or lighter grease should improve it.
 
we got our first one in and we did not like the sound of it we took it out and greased it and all was well.it is easy to do
 
Well, just my opinion, don't want to offend anyone, but I don't understand why GG have come up with such a bizzare method. Road bikes have had estart for decades - simple and reliable. This GG idea rings alarm bells for me.
 
Gas Gas had to use this e-start design to avoid redesigning the complete engine. With these economic times, it did not make sense to retool for the e-start.

Outboard motors use a similar set-up with no issues.
 
outboard motors don't usually fall over and crash into rocks .....
Looks a bit vulnerable to me ...
no more power valve cover upgrade either!!!
Looks and sounds pretty robust though!!
 
We beat this one to death before. Yes, ideally it would be horizontal and designed into the primary to run in an oil bath like on a 4-stroke. That does not justify a complete redesign for only part of the market, IMO. For those that want/need it its a good tool that seems easily servicable and removable if neccessary. If you keep the wear surfaces clean and greased with a good lube (I suspect a moly paste would work good) and use it as neccessary (for restart) things should be OK. What I would have explored(and perhaps they did) was integrating a small Li Ion battery into the starting system's case, down low on the motor. This would make it more modular, lighter, and still have adequate capacity for restart functionality.

Do 300s really need a big PV cover for more low end?
 
GMP said:
Do 300s really need a big PV cover for more low end?
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Not in my opinion. When I had a 300 I tried a PV cover and took it off. Ended up trying to reduce low end as it had too much when wet and technical. Got rid of the PV cover, got rid of the Gnarly, fitted a Doma and jetted it for smoothness and it was much better all round.
 
I think the starter need not be integral to the cases and bathed in oil. Cars, trucks and even outboard motors are like the system we're talking about here.

I could be wrong but it seems to me like the KTM starter is a little underdesigned or something. Seems like it was an afterthought and they half assed it.

I'm a little concerned about the Gas Gas starter since in the video he had about a 50/50 chance of engagement when he pushed the button. That in and of itself is at most an annoyance but the grinding can't be good for the teeth in the long run.
 
Bobt250 said:
I think the starter need not be integral to the cases and bathed in oil. Cars, trucks and even outboard motors are like the system we're talking about here.

I could be wrong but it seems to me like the KTM starter is a little underdesigned or something. Seems like it was an afterthought and they half assed it.

I'm a little concerned about the Gas Gas starter since in the video he had about a 50/50 chance of engagement when he pushed the button. That in and of itself is at most an annoyance but the grinding can't be good for the teeth in the long run.
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KTM's e-start design is an engineering delusion :D , works well on paper but in real live sucks...Mine is at the verge of becoming useless due to the intermediate gearing that builds up considerable slack and damages all the rest. Gas Gas setup is the way to go , just needs to be lubricated once in a while depending on how often you use it. I also suggest using it only for re-starts .
 
I also suggest using it only for re-starts
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I've always heard that for the KTM. I figured that was because it barely works when the bike is warmed up but in the case of the GG why?
 
iancp5 said:
Not in my opinion. When I had a 300 I tried a PV cover and took it off. Ended up trying to reduce low end as it had too much when wet and technical. Got rid of the PV cover, got rid of the Gnarly, fitted a Doma and jetted it for smoothness and it was much better all round.
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same here took my cover off for the same reason
 
Stopped at my local GG dealer tonight to see his first E-start bike (It's already spoken for).

The starter had an issue which concerns me. It would catch every time but immediately kick out. You couldn't "crank" it. You could only barely "bump" it.

Don't know what that's about and neither did the dealer as it's his first one.

That being said, I'm buying the one he has coming in next week. That bike is the nicest piece of machinery I've ever seen. It's a work of art.
 
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