FAQ; Suspension baseline settings

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2004 to 2006 Models;

A good baseline setting for your Ohlins shock clickers with stock 52 nm spring, stock valving and fresh fluid would be around this range;

Rebound, 14 to 16 clicks out.

Compression, 17 to 19 clicks out.

High speed compression (the 17 mm hex with rubber boot around it) up to late 2005 would be 3.25 to 3.5 turns out. Late 2005 and 2006 has a different HSCD adjuster, 1.5 to 1.75 turns out.

The stock 52 nm spring is ideal for 180 lb. rider, +/- 15 lbs max. Your preferences may dictate a variation from this.

Set sag (you on board) to 105 to 108 mm. Your preferences may dictate a variation from this. (See more notes towards the end of this post)

Spring pre-load (spring free length minus set length) should fall between 10 to 15 mm

This is a good place to start and fine tune from there.

For the 45 mm Marzocchi fork with standard .42 kg/mm spring, stock valving and fresh fluid would fall in this range;

Rebound, 10 clicks out.

Compression, 17 clicks out.

Fluid level 100 to 110 (total range of adjustment is 80 mm to 130 mm)

Stock fluid viscosity is 7.5

Pre-load (spring free length minus set or installed length) 5 to 7 mm.

The stock springs are suited for a 180 lb +/- 15 lbs. rider. Your preferences, ability, load (water, tools, etc.) and riding terrain will vary the rates (both front & rear) and adjustments. These are specs for the 200,250,300 2 strokes.

Chassis adjustments;

The upper fork tube position in the clamps is not a suspension (action) adjustment, it is a chassis adjustment and will determine the steering and higher speed stability.

With the fork caps flush to the upper clamp, you will achieve better straight line stability, slower turning charachteristics. (think of it like a raked out chopper)

To the extreme of say 10 mm of upper fork tube exposed from the upper clamp, you will have sharper steering and less higher speed stability.

The rear sag may be used to fine tune the handling charachteristics as well. With more rear sag, say 115 mm, the rear sits lower and rakes out the front (slower steering, better stability)

With less rear sag, say 95 mm, the rear will ride higher and allow it to steer quicker but will give up stability.

Combine all of this, and throw in the position of the rear axle position in the swingarm and you have allot of variables to fine tune or totally goof up your bike for your specific needs!
 
High speed compression Ohlins setting question

I was going through and updating my suspension settings as per Les's suggestions. My High speed compression (the 17 mm hex with rubber boot around it)..goes out a total of 4 turns. I'm curious as to which setting to go with? (up to late 2005 would be 3.25 to 3.5 turns out. Late 2005 and 2006 has a different HSCD adjuster, 1.5 to 1.75 turns out.):)

thx/Mike
05' EC300
 
baseline settings for sachs

Does anyone have the settings for the 2007 model with the sachs rear shock, I have an ex-ISDE bike, has the black swing arm.
Thanks
 
All of the ISDE bikes came with Ohlins shocks as far as I'm aware.
Call Linton at Dirt Action in Chch, he should see you right.

K
 
Sachs

Hey thanks for that, It is very much a ISDE bike still has all the paint marks on all the parts, it was ordered with the sachs rear shock & to be fair my last gasser had the Ohlins & like the sachs better, what I was after is the high speed setting as the manual has no information on it at all & the NZ importer does not know ether.
 
Good Stuff from all... But I noticed that there is no tutorial or baseline for the '07 SACHS shock... Basic clicker settings and even as simple as which is the high speed adjuster and which is the low speed adjuster... Just thought some of you guys might be able to give a better explanation than I could...
 
Anyone have any ideas for basic clicker settings for the 07 sachs and öhlins shock.
And how about 07 Marzocchi fork.

I don't have my '07 EC250 yet, so I can't confirm this first hand but...
I believe the '07 Marzocchi fork are also 45mm. I would try the '06 settings that Les mentioned above. Same theory may apply to the '07 Ohlins shock.

For the '07 Sachs shock:
The GG manual mentions the following standard settings:
Rebound = 25 clicks out (counterclockwise from fully closed). There's 40 clicks total adjustment.
Compression = 1.5 turns out (counterclockwise from fully closed). There's 4 turns total adjustment.
Spring rate = 5.2 (EC250/300), 5.0 (EC125/200), 5.6 (MC)

From what I have read on GMP's posts:
Spring preload = 8-10mm (from no preload on spring adjuster)
Rider sag = 110-115mm
 
Hi Matt ,

Few things about GG 45 Marzocchi up from -06 to ... ? .
GG-factory guys decided to change the base settings and pistons ( bigger bleed holes from 1mm to 2mm etc. ) Why they did it ?? I do not know for sure but I assume its because of "volume" riders who prefers softer settings and "away from stiff " -05 forks/settings .The fact is that if You compare -06 base settings incl. pistons etc. to previous years these present settings are much more complicated to re-tune for working properly in the "ballpark" ( my opinion ).
The biggest problem with these present Std-settings are that if and when your speed is increasing - more unstable will the bike be .
Biggest problem ( my opinion ) is that these forks hasnt enough comp/rebound -possibilities with new 2mm piston-holes which allowes too much flow especially on rebound-side .
 
So the Sachs shock has no high speed compression adjustment? I never noticed but my buddy told me that whenever I was hopping logs the back didn't seem to compress fast enough and caused the back end to hop up. What should I adjust?
 
So the Sachs shock has no high speed compression adjustment? I never noticed but my buddy told me that whenever I was hopping logs the back didn't seem to compress fast enough and caused the back end to hop up. What should I adjust?
From your desciption if it happens after a series of logs set up like railway ties it sounds like your shock is doing, what is refered to as (packing).If thats the case, less rebound damping is required.If after only one log you may have your compression to soft and the shock is blowing through the first part of the travel then abruptly slowing on the mid valving leaving you with very little residual but very resistent travel.
 
The Sachs does have HS compression, its the large outer knob, the LS comp adjuster is the small screw in the center. Note that the LS comp turns when the HS comp is turned, and must be re-adjusted.

The '07 forks have a lot of free bleed from bleed shims as well as the holes. There is even bleed on the rebound piston and checkplate. Get rid of the bleed shims, add rebound and its great. Stock works good though in technical terrain. The bleed holes are out of the picture once the speed picks up a little, they only affect when the valving starts to be active, like the clicker. If you want the fork to ride higher, you can add some midvalve with a tighter float, but there is a point where you start to get harsh. Pobit did a lot of testing, if your a do it yourselfer check out his thread. FWIW, I have had two sets of my brother's Husky Zokes apart. The Husky uses no bleed holes in the comp piston, but the same exact hole in the rebound piston. Pistons are the same. With the same valving installed on both forks(LTR for my GG), the GG Zokes are better in the rocks and roots than the Husky Zokes. I'm going to experiment with the Husky Zokes and drill bleed holes. Perhaps some of the better feel is the coating on the forks?
 
From your desciption if it happens after a series of logs set up like railway ties it sounds like your shock is doing, what is refered to as (packing).If thats the case, less rebound damping is required.If after only one log you may have your compression to soft and the shock is blowing through the first part of the travel then abruptly slowing on the mid valving leaving you with very little residual but very resistent travel.

It is only after one log. GMP do you think this is my problem?

I put .46 springs in my forks and the rest is stock and they are great here in the rocks and roots.
 
Its hard to say because your depending on someone else's observation. Does the observation match what you feel? If what was seen is true, over one log, I'd say its a compression issue. Try less comp first as see what happens. Test on the same obstacle, same speed for consistancy.

Did you revalve the forks for the .46s?

Did you go up on the shock spring rate as well to match the forks?
 
No I did not revalve the forks. The stock fork springs are so soft. The rear is just fine. Not soft at all, firm if anything.
 
Claude,

I suspect that if you had the forks revalved to eliminate a lot of the free bleed, you could go back to lighter springs. At low speed the springs are the only thing holding the bike up. Did your bike come with a 5.2 rear spring stock? I can't help but think that a 5.2 rear and .46 front might be unbalanced, as mine is really good in the rocks with the stock .42/5.2 combo. Everyone has different tastes though.
 
I doesn't feel unbalanced. It does have the 5.2 on the back. I am new to fork revalves but I now I can do it if I have diagrams or pictures. I don't plan on sending my forks out as it is a hassle and the local guys are so busy fixing Showas and KYB and KTM's forks , plus they don't have any experience with Zoke's. I somehow remember a thread showing the forks and it's stack. Are the '07's the same or what has changed? My '06 was way softer on both ends then my '07.
 
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