Haven't got to ride here yet, look for people and places. Yea, it was a long way to get a bike but its a Gas Gas, what else needs to be said. Tried the yamaha thing in the woods 125 just didn't do it and the 250 is more than what I wanted to deal with for hours in the woods. I have heard about the PTTR, just isn't riding season for some yet.They might get muddy.