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Clay
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All of the 2011s have the heavier igniton only. There is no option to order a special ignition but the lighter ignition can be purchased through a deaer.
Clay
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I have not changed an ignition on a GG but I have on a KTM and it's pretty easy. However, I can not imagine anyone would want a lighter/snappier ignition on either the 250 or 300. I ride my 300 in the softer map pretty much all of the time. The flywheel is lighter so it is going to rev quicker. That scares me thinking about it, much less riding it!
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I've gone from the 2K-3 to the 2K-2 with a weight on my 250s and like it better. I also run a G2 with a #200 cam. This combo is very versitle. At one time I had both systems and swapped occasionally for conditions and to experiment but liked what I have now best. I traded my 2K-3 for a spare 2K-2. It is very easy to swap the system, all you need is a flywheel puller. The CDI is the same.
Don't the Race models come with the 2K-2?
Don't the Race models come with the 2K-2?
Thanks guys and I agree Clay I wouldn't want the 2010 300 any snapper. My son on the other hand is only 30 and he was "just wondering". We went riding yesterday, him on my old (now his) 2010 GG300 and me on my 08 Husky Cr125. We switched bikes after a few hours and man I did most of the trail loop on the 300's the rear tire LOL. No need for more snap for this 51 year old. Thanks again and I'll pass on the info to him.
Clay
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GMP,
I was getting conflicting info from people here in the US about what the Race models did come with. I emailed the factory and was told that they engines are the same, including the carb and ignition. I think there were some differences in the past but now the factroy has decided on one standard configuration.
Clay
Clay
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John,
Typically I get the pics about 30 to 45 days before production. production on the Race models is supposed to start in January. That means we should have Race models in Feb.
clay
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I have noticed after working on a newer 2009 KTM 200 that they come with a 2k3 flywheel now. All previous years where 2k2's, switched in 2008 actually. Point being I guess they feel the need to mellow them a bit??? They are all XC-W's now but I guess for KTM the 2k3 is not to heavy for the 200?
Don't know about power or snap though with regards to 250/300 flywheel. I know plenty of pros, of course with more skill than most, who ride bikes that are extremely mellow. Brother actually rode one bike in question, a ktm 250xc a few years back 2006, and asked if it was broken. Brother was on a 2006 KTM 250 sxf. His reply was no, really heavy flywheel weight, low curve on ignition, and whatever he could think of to make it mellow and flat. I think he won or was really close to winning the overall ECEA enduro title that year and was top ten in the national enduro series. Power isn't everything its more about control.
He also would let me ride one of his Yamaha yz250f a time ago, I thought it was so slow that I told him I would rather ride my KTM 200. Man would it be funny rolling up to a race and everyone ooowwing and ohhing over his bike and wispering about worked motors and the such. Little did they know that nothing was done and they probably rode a bike that all things being equal, rider and such, was faster.
Everyone has there likes and dislikes though so for some it takes changing things to enjoy a bike so I say go for it and switch. You after all are the one who has to ride it and thats why we have different brands and options. So it doesn't matter what I or anyone says...
Cheers,
Rick
I have noticed after working on a newer 2009 KTM 200 that they come with a 2k3 flywheel now. All previous years where 2k2's, switched in 2008 actually. Point being I guess they feel the need to mellow them a bit??? They are all XC-W's now but I guess for KTM the 2k3 is not to heavy for the 200?
Don't know about power or snap though with regards to 250/300 flywheel. I know plenty of pros, of course with more skill than most, who ride bikes that are extremely mellow. Brother actually rode one bike in question, a ktm 250xc a few years back 2006, and asked if it was broken. Brother was on a 2006 KTM 250 sxf. His reply was no, really heavy flywheel weight, low curve on ignition, and whatever he could think of to make it mellow and flat. I think he won or was really close to winning the overall ECEA enduro title that year and was top ten in the national enduro series. Power isn't everything its more about control.
He also would let me ride one of his Yamaha yz250f a time ago, I thought it was so slow that I told him I would rather ride my KTM 200. Man would it be funny rolling up to a race and everyone ooowwing and ohhing over his bike and wispering about worked motors and the such. Little did they know that nothing was done and they probably rode a bike that all things being equal, rider and such, was faster.
Everyone has there likes and dislikes though so for some it takes changing things to enjoy a bike so I say go for it and switch. You after all are the one who has to ride it and thats why we have different brands and options. So it doesn't matter what I or anyone says...
Cheers,
Rick
Clay
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I was told, when we were at the factory, that the Nambotins came with the 2K3. I asked if that's what Nambotin used and was told that he preferred the heavier flywheel and smoother ignition.
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No argument there, I don't like MX style power either and I'm a big believer in less is more. I ride a 250 because its softer off the bottom than a 300, but can still climb anything I point it up. I also run a G2 throttle, which gives a lot more control off the bottom and negates the need for a heavy flywheel, IMO. I can still lug my bike down to near idle rock crawling with the 14 oz weight on the 2K-2. I really like the G2s and even run one on my Ducati. Try one if you have not yet. Now with a 300 and especially the Nambo I could see the 2K-3 being more desireable to tame the big bottom power.
I had an original '98 KTM 200 and it had a 2K-3. It didn't feel like a heavy fltwheel, likely because it had a much lighter crank and other parts (based on 125) so overall inertia was not excessive. It also had a big hit and really bad vibration. My 300EXC came with a 2K-2 and a thin rivited on weight, go figure. I would think the GG 200 being based on the 250 would have more overall inertia from a larger clutch, etc. and be happier with a lighter ignition. Its eaiser to add weight than take it away.
I had an original '98 KTM 200 and it had a 2K-3. It didn't feel like a heavy fltwheel, likely because it had a much lighter crank and other parts (based on 125) so overall inertia was not excessive. It also had a big hit and really bad vibration. My 300EXC came with a 2K-2 and a thin rivited on weight, go figure. I would think the GG 200 being based on the 250 would have more overall inertia from a larger clutch, etc. and be happier with a lighter ignition. Its eaiser to add weight than take it away.
I never looked back that far, '98, but I know from about 2001 to 2007 they had 2k2s...
Now only reason I paid attention is working with some fast local kids they would complain that there new 200's felt weak. Now nothing has changed internally since 2007, so I thought why would my bike 2007 seem like a rocket and theres seem average. Untill we did a crank for one of these kids and saw a 2k3. Oh even had a friend sell his 2008 because it felt "weak", after riding my 2007 and brothers 2007.
Do I think it really makes that much difference NO, but maybe it mellows the bike a bit and these aggressive kids/guys want that kind of power?
Cheers,
Rick
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GMP
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I think KTM did a lot of jerking around with the 200 motor over the years. They messed with the crank in an attempt to fix the vibes, went to smaller carb in addition to the ignition. That bike was the worst thing I ever had, good bottom power but with brutal suspension that could not be fixed. It beat me up. I gave PDS one more chance with a 300, then went GG.
I think the newwer versions with the 2k2 were great, you have to work a little and be aggressive but great power. Can't say about 2k3 versions only rode one for a few minutes. Didn't seem that different or noticable. Yes KTM did change many things over the years to mix it up and its cool that we have the options.
Rick
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