What Will They Come Up With Next?

thats pretty neat!
as much as i love my gasser, at times i miss my old xr350, just because it was like a lazyboy on wheels. big comfy seat, torque for as slow as you want, and power enough to wheelie at a moments notice.
i relaly want to get a closep up look at the now engine design, i like weird stuff, so its right op my alley!
 
That thing looks great. As does the 450. I'd really like to test ride that 390. I remember Speedy Maniac mentioning he rode an '09 450 with the new horizontal cylinder config and said it rode like his 250... I'm really sick of straightening bashed up expansions chambers...

There's no dealer in this state (MN) and maybe not even in any neighboring state. I also think I saw somewhere that none (or maybe one per dealer) were being sent to the US, but I could be mixing that up with the 570 supermoto...
 
I have a really good buddy that had 2 03' 470's ( I think) or something Bergs....one he rode...the other was for parts...LOL!!! With that, I'd never own one.....but....I'm not ready to adjust valves just yet. They do look nice, and all the reviews seem to positive.
 
but....I'm not ready to adjust valves just yet.

There is that... but it's gotta be easier than doing same on a Ducati with the desmo valve train... Guess it depends on the service interval.

FWIW, If you lurk the Husaberg.org website you will see some pretty disgruntled dealer comments and speculation about KTM's ownership of Husaberg.

I think Motoxotica out in your neck of the woods could give you the straight scoop.
 
I have a really good buddy that had 2 03' 470's ( I think) or something Bergs....one he rode...the other was for parts...LOL!!! With that, I'd never own one.....but....I'm not ready to adjust valves just yet. They do look nice, and all the reviews seem to positive.

You beat me to it! I just sold my 4 stroke because I was sick of inspecting/adjusting valves.
 
That thing looks great. As does the 450. I'd really like to test ride that 390. I remember Speedy Maniac mentioning he rode an '09 450 with the new horizontal cylinder config and said it rode like his 250... I'm really sick of straightening bashed up expansions chambers...

There's no dealer in this state (MN) and maybe not even in any neighboring state. I also think I saw somewhere that none (or maybe one per dealer) were being sent to the US, but I could be mixing that up with the 570 supermoto...

There is a great dealer in WA if anyone is interested.
The #74 and #71 worcs bikes are for sale at Taskys
(A GasGas forum advertiser)
http://www.taskysmetriccycle.com
 
Nice bike, but probably just a sleeved down 450. I'd like to see a designed from the ground up 300 - 350, without the compromises of a bored/stroked 250 or sleeved 450. Also not crazy about the closed loop EFI, unless it can be disabled and an open loop map run.

I have a couple friends with woods ridden Yamaha 250Fs, they have been very reliable and the valves never move. I suspect because they are not bouncing off the rev limiter and overreved on jumps.
 
The bergs are great bikes. The handling is great (and the suspension seems to work better on them than on the KTMs), easy to work on bikes, reliable, good power, flawless fuel injection, blah, blah, blah. Honestly, if I switched to a thumper it would probably be a Husaberg. The handling is unreal for a thumper. Feels like you're throwing around a 250F. Honestly, it handled better than a CRF250R (which I think handles great). Close to my GasGas, but not quite as good.

Glenn,
Trust me, the closed loop EFI on the 'Berg is the way to go. It actually works, unlike most open loop efi systems. Not having an 02 sensor is the dumbest thing I've seen with EFI bikes. To get any advantage from EFI, you need to have an 02 sensor in the exhaust. The berg's EFI works flawlessly, even in the brand new 2009 models. How many other companies have got the EFI correct right from the get go? Ummmmm, no one. Honda offers a carb kit for the 09 CRF450R. That's how great the injection works on it. Even GasGas has taken a lot of years to finally get it figured out.

The Husaberg is an awesome bike, and I have no problems recommending people buy them, if they want a thumper.

Oh yeah, the one problem with the berg is it is still a heavy bike. Not noticeable when you're riding it, but as soon as you need to lift it you sure notice the weight. That weight is the issue holding me back. I like being able to pick up my bike easily when the going gets nasty.
 
My brother in law just got a leftover '08 Husaberg 550fe from Tasky's. I bought his GG 450fse. Tasky's was definitely a good experience. Low to no pressure sales, laid back, but on the ball at the same time.

My bro in law is an animal on the trails, and he loves his new Husa, but he's glad to have kept the GG in the family. That 550 sounds like a thunderstorm when he cruises up behind me on the trail. Too bad for me I can't out run the thunder.
 
I would want a kickstart. Too bad it couldn't be made a little lighter in weight too. Other than those two things, it looks like the perfect technical trail four stroke.
 
Trust me, the closed loop EFI on the 'Berg is the way to go. It actually works, unlike most open loop efi systems. Not having an 02 sensor is the dumbest thing I've seen with EFI bikes.

Steve,

The only way I would agree to that is if its a wideband lambda sensor, not a narrowband sensor working at a lean 14.7:1 AFR. Even so, keeping the reference side clean is more of a challenge than on a street bike.

The kicker does no good at all if the battery is dead. I would design the system where the EFI is powered by its own very small, light Li Ion battery, with its own charging ckt., or a capacitor type system like the Suzuki RMZ450. That way a kickstart makes more sense, and a bump start is possible if a kickstart is not designed in.
 
So...do I have this right, gasgasman stated that his buddies bike went dead, because he ran the battery down, which drained the system and the bike could not be push started, because of no power for the FI system?

If this is how this type of FI system works.....then I'll need a new Ratio Right cup cause I'll be a 2 smoke owner for a long time!
 
Funny, up here the bergs have run flawless. The beauty of the EFI on them is that there's a sensor that kills the bike and fuel pump if it is leaned over to 70° or more for 3 seconds or more. This means the bike never floods, so the electric starter doesn't get a work out. My experience with the new bergs is that the electric starter and battery never even gets a work out. It starts immediately without hesitation. The berg is the only bike I'd feel comfortable not having a kick starter on.

Glenn, I would still disagree. To me, the advantages of EFI are that the bike can automatically adjust the mixture to make sure it is running at the optimum setting. Without an 02 sensor in the exhaust, you get no feedback to see if the engine is actually performing correctly. If you only have a lambda sensor in the air intake and the ECU is pre-programmed to go off that info, then if anything changes from what the factories ran to program the ECU, it's not going to work well. The CRF450R is a text book example of this. I'll take my EFI with an 02 sensor please.
 
Steve,

How much experience do you have tuning EFI, particularly on newer street bikes?

A narrow band lambda (exhaust O2) sensor(which I'm almost certain is used) operates in two states (approx .1V to 1V) and crosses this range quickly as the exhaust AFR crosses between 14.6 and 14.8 to 1 as the ECU adjusts injector pulse width. The reason for this is because a CAT converter operates in this AFR range. This is only applicable to idle and low load conditions, as the AFR needs to be much richer under load. The systems operate in a dual mode, closed loop at low load and open loop under load, but use an adaptive mappping algorithm that generates an auto trim factor thats applied to bias the open loop map. From a performance perspective there is no reason for this, it purely regulatory. A 14.7:1 ratio is too lean, 12.5 - 13:1 being more ideal. Now, if you use an expensive wideband sensor, with a more proportional analog output, you can control a much wider range of the fuel map in closed loop, at whatever AFR you want(map developed on the dyno). I doubt this is what it has though. With a fixed map in open loop mode, the base map is derived on a dyno(with AFR) and you control map bias with various temp and air pressure sensors(and sometimes mass airflow). Of course you will have minor tolerance variations but its minimal. The system will not account for major changes in configuration, but either will the semi closed loop system, thats a myth.

I've been through this with both a Cannondale and my Ducati, actually building my own maps on the 'Dale and converting the Duc to a manual trim/open loop race map ECU (map tuned for open exhaust).

Basically, when the base map is done right, things work great.

The 70 deg shut off is a bank angle sensor, all modern road bikes have them. Its a safety device to shut the system down in a suspected crash, not to stop flooding. Once an EFI engine stops, injection stops, no flooding possible. My Cannondale did not have this, it would run on its side till it overheated (or oil starved) just like it was on the stand.
 
I will admit I don't have a ton of experience with EFI. But I do know the Husaberg's injection is absolutely flawless. I rode one of the very first 09 Bergs when I was in Romania (it was Shane Cuthbertson's bike). The bike ran absolutely perfectly both in my test as well as in 5 days of the most difficult and abusive racing on the planet. Every other EFI bike has had growing pains, yet the Berg is perfect (engine wise) right from the get go. No starting issues, no running issues, nothing. In 5 days of hard enduro racing all we had to do to the bike was replace the clutch plates once. Shane could barely even get the bike to boil, that's how good it was.

As much as I love GasGas bikes, I have heard some horror stories about the four-strokes (and I've heard a lot of good too). It's taken GasGas a long time to sort out the fuel injection system to get it working well. Honda is still struggling, though Suzuki and Kawasaki seem to have it fairly well sorted.

By the way, we ran the bike without the catalytic convertor but still had an 02 sensor. No issues whatsoever throughout the event.
 
Steve,

The fact that it comes with a CAT pretty much guarantees a narrow band sensor. If it runs good, thats a credit to the map development, not the closed loop control itself. Does it have multiple maps installed, and/or a compliant and race map like the Huskys? If so, I bet the race maps ignore the lambda and run full open loop (like the Huskys). There is nothing about a 14.7:1 AFR that is good for performance, its like the lean jetting on the FCR carb 4-strokes that cause them to pop and blue the pipes excessively.

Its defenately a cool bike and I love the innovation. I see something like this in my future as I get older, race less, and want something smooth and agile for the tech trails. Plus, I really like the fact that there is nothing under the bike to smash! I imagine its an awesome rock bike.
 
There's no dealer in this state (MN) and maybe not even in any neighboring state. I also think I saw somewhere that none (or maybe one per dealer) were being sent to the US, but I could be mixing that up with the 570 supermoto...
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You might check with Donahue's near St.Cloud, I know they were a dealer last year. Donahue's HD, Buel and Husaberg, there's an interesting combination.
 
On the Donahue website, read the "About Us" page. They're riders, through and through. After reading that, the Husaberg deal does make sense. It was a pretty interesting read.

Corky did sell Husaberg out of Moorehead, but I don't know if he does anymore.
 
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