wiring for ac and dc

[wence]

Ok guys,
I have done most of the wiring for the capacitor to regulator/rectifier.
The hid setup is a straight plug and play unit that plugs into the original light 3 pin plug. I am leaning towards the floating ground technique as there are grounds right the electrical system.
My dilemma is that (from looking at the wiring diagram), I have stuff like power controllers, horn, indicators and brake sensors.
I assume these need to run off of ac therefore I am asking the question as to where I should insert the rectifier etc .
By doing a split system I am also going to have to isolate all lights and light switches as I still want to use them.I will have an isolating switch for the lights so that I can start the bike and then flick lights on after cap is charged.
Is there any way to do this whole setup so that it can be reversed, if needed , quite easily?
I originally leant towards the non floating ground setup for this reason.
All help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

Mark

 

[Brian]

Ok guys,
I have done most of the wiring for the capacitor to regulator/rectifier.
The hid setup is a straight plug and play unit that plugs into the original light 3 pin plug. I am leaning towards the floating ground technique as there are grounds right the electrical system.
My dilemma is that (from looking at the wiring diagram), I have stuff like power controllers, horn, indicators and brake sensors.
I assume these need to run off of ac therefore I am asking the question as to where I should insert the rectifier etc .
By doing a split system I am also going to have to isolate all lights and light switches as I still want to use them.I will have an isolating switch for the lights so that I can start the bike and then flick lights on after cap is charged.
Is there any way to do this whole setup so that it can be reversed, if needed , quite easily?
I originally leant towards the non floating ground setup for this reason.
All help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

Mark

I don't think I am understanding....
If you are trying to utilize both AC and DC power from your stator one of the grounds has to be floating be it AC or DC. They must be isolated from each other, only one can be connected to the engine/chassis ground.

Having not taken a close look at the wiring on the bikes yet I can't comment further. I have a 2k3 I bought that I need to install and I need to purchase a headlight, so I will be digging into this eventually.

 

[wence]

Sorry,
Basically have a hid that is plug in with a feed of Dc from a cap via a relay. The relay is switched via original light switch on bars.
I have an override switch in the feed also.
My question is, Where do I hook the stator feeds into the rec/reg or viceversa.
If I do floating ground how will that effect the original ac circuit ( indicators etc), and if I don't do floating ground then how do I go about it... I am a little confused right now.
Thanks again Mark

 

[slocalspode]

Hey Mark. Sent you a PM before reading this post.
First. "I am no electrician" What you are trying to do with
a combined AC & DC system (maybe) possible, buy why?
I had no problems with the turn flasher running on DC.
The horn had a tiny Rectifier attached as stock so it is a
DC powered device. I removed the mini-Rectifier when I
went full DC on my bike.
I'd say hook up the Rectifier per the manufacturers instructions
and place the Capacitor in the system as you would a battery.
It is there as a buffer to stabilize the current pulses.
Unless your horn is AC powered. You should not have any problems.
Good luck. You might PM some of the knowledgeable people from
the "how to go DC" thread for more assistance.
here are a couple shots of how I mounted my system.

Good luck, Jeff

 

[wence]

Thanks Jeff,
I read your pm before this.
This may be a stupid question but are our existing headlights are Ac or Dc as I cannot see a rectifier in the circuit diagram. I think I need to run the Dc for the hi and lo beam through the new rec reg as Hid needs the filtered Dc .
Since the new setup is Hi/lo I guess I need to change the feed to both.
Cheers Mark

 

[GMP]

Read the other thread carefully. Once you add the rectifier without floating the stator AC ground, the DC must ONLY be used on an isolated load (like the HID). You have to treat the filter cap, (or battery), and any switches as part of this isolated system when mounting and connecting. This is why its somewhat more desirable to float the stator AC ground, as the system is then more "standard", and after the initial stator modifications, any future changes or additions are easy. It all depends on what you ultimately plan to do.

 

[wence]

Thanks Glenn,
I have tried to get it going with the cap but I don't think there was enough voltage as the light would flicker then go out once I revved the bike.
Switched the cap for a battery and nothing although the hid stopped working on the cap before the swap.
I am hoping the globe and hid is ok and cannot see why it won't be , they have an overheating overload which cuts the power to the light.
The entire system after the rec/reg is isolated and I am running off the white wire from under the tank(other ac winding).
The other yellow wire from the rec/reg is to ground(chassis).
Cheers Mark

 

[GMP]

sent you a PM. Get a Digital Multimeter and start troubleshooting.

First thing is VERIFY THE SYSTEMS ARE ISOLATED!

 

[wence]

sent you a PM. Get a Digital Multimeter and start troubleshooting.

First thing is VERIFY THE SYSTEMS ARE ISOLATED!

Rechecked everything and got a replacement ballast and globe and all ok off of a battery, we have bright lights.
Now to try with the capacitor again, should be ok.
The only problem I have now is that I need an 07 headlight lense.If anyone has removed their light for racing and is willing to part with it I would appreciate it.
Thanks for all the help guys.
I will take a few shots of the setup and post them up soon together with a description of the wiring in case anyone else needs to do the same.
Cheers Mark