18 300 Kickstand

[markwoodlief]

Anyone with an 18 found a resolution to the suicidal kickstands? meaning if you lift the bike the kick stand auto retracts. Not a fan of these and in bikes past there was always a way to 'fix' that issue. The new GasGas kick stand have an intricate little washer in there. Not coming up with a good solution yet.

 

[webmaster]

The kickstand behaves that way because of euro requirement - or so I have been told.

Solution in the past has been to take a side link from a chain master clip and attach it to the kickstand (e.g. drill it out so kickstand mount bolt can go through. This gives you a new place to attach the spring at the bottom. Then hooking spring onto this will change spring position relative to the pivot point and make it so the kickstand doesn't auto retrace.

On edit - just found this on line for previous models..

https://www.ktm-parts.com/19-400.html

Youtube clip of master clip fix on older models (don't know if it still applies) is here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqn2tIKLxe8




jeff

 

[markwoodlief]

The kickstand behaves that way because of euro requirement - or so I have been told.

Solution in the past has been to take a side link from a chain master clip and attach it to the kickstand (e.g. drill it out so kickstand mount bolt can go through. This gives you a new place to attach the spring at the bottom. Then hooking spring onto this will change spring position relative to the pivot point and make it so the kickstand doesn't auto retrace.

On edit - just found this on line for previous models..

https://www.ktm-parts.com/19-400.html

Youtube clip of master clip fix on older models (don't know if it still applies) is here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqn2tIKLxe8




jeff

yeah, the new design is totally different. I'll go snap some pics here shortly.

 

[markwoodlief]

 

[cbutler]

Have you tried flipping the tab on the stand to the other side (facing the front of bike) this appears to put it past the pivot point dont know it the stand will still work but worth a try.

 

[gasgasman]

Just by looking at the pictures.

You will need to replace the pivot bolt with one that is flush. This will allow the pivot tab to slide past the pivot bolt and change the spring fulcrum point.

 

[markwoodlief]

Just by looking at the pictures.

You will need to replace the pivot bolt with one that is flush. This will allow the pivot tab to slide past the pivot bolt and change the spring fulcrum point.

that's about 1/2 of the solution. That pivot bolt is actually an intricate little bushing that goes through the stand and over a post in the frame. So yes, I think ill need a button head bolt, but more importantly I think I'll have to either 1) manufacture a new bushing that doesn't have the edge on it, or 2) cut the edge off the one that's on there.

I may take the bushing out and go to the hardware store and see if I can match up the inner and outer diameters.

 

[gasgasman]

Google "; KTM kickstand".
There are some aftermarket kickstands that have the countersunk pivot bolts.

 

[markwoodlief]

Google "; KTM kickstand".
There are some aftermarket kickstands that have the countersunk pivot bolts.

that's a great idea.. hate to waste the cash, but may order up something like this and see how it goes.

 

[gasgasman]

Not wasting money. You're helping the GasGas community. ;-)

 

[markwoodlief]

Not wasting money. You're helping the GasGas community. ;-)

yeah, actually the ones above are specifically for a bike we have here at the house. My oldest son's KTM 250 is in the shop.. Going to go out and take some measurements from his OEM kick stand.

 

[gasgasman]

Sweet.
I'm definitely awaiting your results, for when my bike arrives.

 

[markwoodlief]

solved!! Thanks for the brainstorming gasgasman.

So I pulled off my kids kickstand from his 250xcf-w right away realized it's the exact same design as the gasgas. Literally all the mounts etc are identical. Popped out the bushing and used his collar bolt. viola works awesome. And just for fun, I put mine on his and left it that way. He's going to be pissed when he goes to move his bike. ..

KTM OEM Parts here, looks like KTM used the bushing from 08 - 17 so should be able to get them at any orange shop in town.

78003023080
SIDE STAND BUSHING EXC USA 08
$16.98


0025080306
HH COLLAR SCREW M8X30 TX40 | TX40
$3.11

 

[markwoodlief]

note the whole side stand is not needed, simply the bushing and the bolt. the side stands are identical sans the foot color.

 

[GasGas]

Perfect! Now future GG owners can keep their front teeth a while longer. I had a good smack in the jaw from one of my previous GG.

 

[markwoodlief]

Perfect! Now future GG owners can keep their front teeth a while longer. I had a good smack in the jaw from one of my previous GG.

yeah, my youngest son still has nightmares about my 14 Ossa Factory trials bike kickstand. That thing was unforgiving, and was shaped like a dagger. Must've been a joke at the ossa factory.

 

[gasgasman]

note the whole side stand is not needed, simply the bushing and the bolt. the side stands are identical sans the foot color.

Excellent job!!!

 

[gasgasman]

The KTM bolts were known for breaking.
Here's a kit with just the bolts etc.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-HUSQVARNA-HUSABERG-Kickstand-Sidestand-Year-2008-2016-Spare-Parts-NEW-/261925066269

 

[markwoodlief]

The KTM bolts were known for breaking.
Here's a kit with just the bolts etc.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-HUSQVARNA-HUSABERG-Kickstand-Sidestand-Year-2008-2016-Spare-Parts-NEW-/261925066269

excellent find.. thanks!

 

[shawbagga]

I'm not fancying spending money on KTM parts so theoretically could I just cut the bush down?