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motopsycho87

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Just wondering why GasGas selected an '8' heat range plug on the EC300, baring in mind almost all other 300's require a '7' plug... I've changed to a 7 today and have much better idle, almost no 'loading up' and no audible knocking.

KTM, Husaberg, Husqvarna, Beta all use BR7EG... why is the gasser special?

This probably isn't a problem to most people, but because I'm using fully synth at 30ml per litre, I'm probably suffering a lot more loading than most!
 
Just wondering why GasGas selected an '8' heat range plug on the EC300, baring in mind almost all other 300's require a '7' plug... I've changed to a 7 today and have much better idle, almost no 'loading up' and no audible knocking.

KTM, Husaberg, Husqvarna, Beta all use BR7EG... why is the gasser special?

This probably isn't a problem to most people, but because I'm using fully synth at 30ml per litre, I'm probably suffering a lot more loading than most!

sound interesting, excuse my ignorance motopsycho but what does 'loading' mean. also when you say you had better idling do you mean it would idle without cutting out? mine wont idle for anything more than 10 - 20 seconds under most conditions.
 
Care to explains the difference in plugs?

I do a lot of slow tech riding and find my bike stalls very easily

7 is a 'hotter' plug, meaning it has a longer ceramic insulator, reducing the amount of heat dissipated by the tip.

All is explained here;
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/p2.asp

I can't find the link with exact details, but I remember reading prior that 1 heat range is approximately 40 centigrade.

My bike almost always idles forever, this is using the jetting and oil ratio in my sig. This is also before swapping the plug, my problems tend to be at higher rpm, but... (read on)

sound interesting, excuse my ignorance motopsycho but what does 'loading' mean. also when you say you had better idling do you mean it would idle without cutting out? mine wont idle for anything more than 10 - 20 seconds under most conditions.

Loading is 2 things -

1 - Excess oil remains in the bottom of the crank from a period of low rev riding. This oil is always there, even at high rpm riding, but the level can increase when lugging. When you crack the throttle open, this oil gets sucked into the combustion chamber and causes a burbly top end until the correct level is reached.

2 - If a spark plug is run under the 'self-cleaning' temperature for too long, an excess of conductive material binds to the insulator, allowing the electricity required for spark to short between the insulator and earth (cylinder), this can cause very similar symptoms to the above when wide open throttle, once the plug reaches temperature this coating will burn off. (it is more difficult for the spark to arc between electrode and spark point as the revs / pressure increases, hence this is more noticeable at high rpm)

Problem is with our bikes being the bad boys they are, it is very rare you run above 3/4 throttle for any sustained period. Thus the plug rarely reaches or stays at it's 'self-cleaning' temperature. This is likely to bring about problems such as, difficulty starting, poor idle, burbling/lurching at mid rpm, and sputtering at high rpm.
 
7 is a 'hotter' plug, meaning it has a longer ceramic insulator, reducing the amount of heat dissipated by the tip.

All is explained here;
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/p2.asp

I can't find the link with exact details, but I remember reading prior that 1 heat range is approximately 40 centigrade.

My bike almost always idles forever, this is using the jetting and oil ratio in my sig. This is also before swapping the plug, my problems tend to be at higher rpm, but... (read on)



Loading is 2 things -

1 - Excess oil remains in the bottom of the crank from a period of low rev riding. This oil is always there, even at high rpm riding, but the level can increase when lugging. When you crack the throttle open, this oil gets sucked into the combustion chamber and causes a burbly top end until the correct level is reached.

2 - If a spark plug is run under the 'self-cleaning' temperature for too long, an excess of conductive material binds to the insulator, allowing the electricity required for spark to short between the insulator and earth (cylinder), this can cause very similar symptoms to the above when wide open throttle, once the plug reaches temperature this coating will burn off. (it is more difficult for the spark to arc between electrode and spark point as the revs / pressure increases, hence this is more noticeable at high rpm)

Problem is with our bikes being the bad boys they are, it is very rare you run above 3/4 throttle for any sustained period. Thus the plug rarely reaches or stays at it's 'self-cleaning' temperature. This is likely to bring about problems such as, difficulty starting, poor idle, burbling/lurching at mid rpm, and sputtering at high rpm.

thanks. that makes sense and also explains a few things.
 
ok, so now how do you know if you are riding with higher engine temperatures?
I very rarely ride flat out for any extended period of time, but mostly it is slow rocky singletrack that often requires me to turn my fan on (especially in the climbs). The descents are also slow (with stalling common) and loading up when i do eventually get onto a flat out section (or when i realize i have been out an hour longer than i told my wife i would be out for!!)
I am running an 8, would there be any noticable difference if i tried a 7 (or 9)??
 
I've just completely cured my 'loading' problem by dropping the needle a clip. Taken the new plug out after a run and it is the perfect biscuit colour.

Higher engine temperatures come with faster revs, that is all.

If you have problems starting your bike from cold, or foul plugs often, then try a 7, it can't hurt otherwise KTM wouldn't recommend.

If your bike is loading up frequently, especially after some half decent mid range riding, try dropping your needle a clip.
 
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