Cervantes 450f Replica

It's a nice looking bike but I could bet that bike in 4 stroke trim would sell very well over here. Up in my neck of the woods(Calgary Canada) I've never even seen a gasgas 4 stroke compared to 2 to 3 2-strokes everytime I ride! Are dealers don't even carry 4 strokes.
 
On the last order form I got there was a Cervates Replica on it. The price would work out to be about $12,000 here in the US but we can not get them because Gas Gas had to agree to not sell the models with Yamaha engines here in the US.
There was also a Guillaume Replica 250 and 300. I decided not to order them because there really isn't much of a performance advantage over the Race model. The 2012 Replicas have Ohlins TTX fork and shock but I don't believe those two items command a $3000 premium over the Race model.
 
Even if Yamaha would allow it in the USA, I'm pretty sure the damand would be small. The market is simply saturated with 4Ts. I agree that the std Race model has great bang for the buck, and replica models aren't worth the money. Honestly, in my younger (racing) day, I raced stock bikes (although one could agrue that a stock TM is still pretty trick).
 
tm_enduro said:
Even if Yamaha would allow it in the USA, I'm pretty sure the damand would be small. The market is simply saturated with 4Ts. I agree that the std Race model has great bang for the buck, and replica models aren't worth the money. Honestly, in my younger (racing) day, I raced stock bikes (although one could agrue that a stock TM is still pretty trick).
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I agree that there seems to be a lot of 4Ts on the market. It doen't bother me that we can't get them. The 250 4Ts that we brought in last year were our worst sellers even though the few guys that bought them to seem to love them. I kind of think it's funny though that Yamaha took that stance here in the US. Maybe they were scared of us? Prolly not! :p
 
Clay said:
I agree that there seems to be a lot of 4Ts on the market. It doen't bother me that we can't get them. The 250 4Ts that we brought in last year were our worst sellers even though the few guys that bought them to seem to love them. I kind of think it's funny though that Yamaha took that stance here in the US. Maybe they were scared of us? Prolly not! :p
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if i ever find a 250f gg reasonable, i will own one.. not to replace mine, but i really think it would be a great addition..


yes Clay.. yamaha is scared of you..
 
still confused why GG dropped the 450 that they made since they finally got the bugs all worked out.. If I could swing a new bike right now and had a choice I'd love a new 4stroke GG, but would not buy a 450 with a yamaha mill. Would love to see GG build a nice 600cc bike to go up against the ktm 690. Again,, a very very small market..
 
Yamaha is drowning in WR leftovers, I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. That is also most likely a factor in the poor GG250F sales. $8K for a GG or $5K for a WR leftover? Your really only targeting the purists. No fault of GG, they have to make a buck and I'm sure the motors are not as cheap as the GG 2 stroke. The 450F fad seems to have peaked and is in decline. Good business move. A solid DI design will make you forget all about 450Fs.
 
Having owned a couple of 450F's and a 250F, I don't think I could ever bring myself to own one again. Having said that, a 350F like KTM's does intrigue me and I think that's the ideal size for an offroad bike. I'd like to see some of the reliability back in the four strokes though before I'd buy another.

IMO, a GG 350F with FI would sell well as long as it was reliable, and parts were readily available. Until I see such a thing and see it proven long term, I'll be mixing my gas.
 
Tlineman said:
Having owned a couple of 450F's and a 250F, I don't think I could ever bring myself to own one again. Having said that, a 350F like KTM's does intrigue me and I think that's the ideal size for an offroad bike. I'd like to see some of the reliability back in the four strokes though before I'd buy another.

IMO, a GG 350F with FI would sell well as long as it was reliable, and parts were readily available. Until I see such a thing and see it proven long term, I'll be mixing my gas.
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From what I can tell, the Husky 310 seems to hit the sweet spot AND be reliable.
 
tm_enduro said:
From what I can tell, the Husky 310 seems to hit the sweet spot AND be reliable.
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From my own personal experience with husky 310, the drivetrain is reliable, the cooling system and electrics are suspect. The finnish is almost there. They are a great bike to ride and handle really well, in some ways better than the gg. it's a pity they are let down by their real world reliability. Everyone who rode the bike loved it.

My cooling system blew at the t piece luckily about 500m fromm my ute and the FI died 7k from the ute deep in st ( 500 dollar fix, husky gave me a new switch block, thanks!!?) , it also stopped dead after a jump when the battery lead disconnected ( neaded battery to run), wouldn't start 10k from ute when the coil died and lost the e start numerous times. All in 30 hrs of trail riding. I am meticulous in maintenance. I just couldn't own another. They don't like water ( i.e even puddles).
 
Tlineman said:
Having owned a couple of 450F's and a 250F, I don't think I could ever bring myself to own one again. Having said that, a 350F like KTM's does intrigue me and I think that's the ideal size for an offroad bike. I'd like to see some of the reliability back in the four strokes though before I'd buy another.

IMO, a GG 350F with FI would sell well as long as it was reliable, and parts were readily available. Until I see such a thing and see it proven long term, I'll be mixing my gas.
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It's not the 350 that will bring back good old XR reliability because they make high revs.
I know a guy that has a 2006? or 2007? 450 GG. The only problem he had was some electrical issue in the injection system that GG Portugal manage to solve even though this happened 1 year after the bike was bought. He didn't had to pay for anything. He opened the engine at the 270 hours mark and according to the mechanic it was still good to go.
No wonder why Bimota is using the old GG450 engine on its new offroad bike...
 
Simmo737 said:
From my own personal experience with husky 310, the drivetrain is reliable, the cooling system and electrics are suspect. The finnish is almost there. They are a great bike to ride and handle really well, in some ways better than the gg. it's a pity they are let down by their real world reliability. Everyone who rode the bike loved it.

My cooling system blew at the t piece luckily about 500m fromm my ute and the FI died 7k from the ute deep in st ( 500 dollar fix, husky gave me a new switch block, thanks!!?) , it also stopped dead after a jump when the battery lead disconnected ( neaded battery to run), wouldn't start 10k from ute when the coil died and lost the e start numerous times. All in 30 hrs of trail riding. I am meticulous in maintenance. I just couldn't own another. They don't like water ( i.e even puddles).
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That's tough luck but I think the new 310 engine (Picolo) has improved.
I hear some complaints about the frame...they brake easy...and HVA simply replaces them without charge...
 
Vindicator said:
It's not the 350 that will bring back good old XR reliability because they make high revs.
I know a guy that has a 2006? or 2007? 450 GG. The only problem he had was some electrical issue in the injection system that GG Portugal manage to solve even though this happened 1 year after the bike was bought. He didn't had to pay for anything. He opened the engine at the 270 hours mark and according to the mechanic it was still good to go.
No wonder why Bimota is using the old GG450 engine on its new offroad bike...
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Personally, not wanting a 450F is due entirely to the fact that they are too much bike, are heavy and are way too fatiguing too ride for several hours. All makes. I'm sure the GG 450 is a great engine, but likely its still a heavy bike thats hard too hang on too after 3+ hours. My desire for a 350 is due to it being a bike that can be ridden agressively for hours on end. If I wasn't 215lbs, then a 250F would be the ticket but I'm too hard on them for my size. IMO nobody needs 50+ horses to go fast in the woods. 40 with a linear power curve and lots of off idle torque is ideal.
 
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