Cervantes No.no.no......

[boyscout]

http://www.enduro360.com/2011/12/06/featured/rumormill-cervantes-to-ride-4t-yamagas/

I don't like this.

 

[blitz11]

Uggghhh. There has to be some relationship between Yamaha and Gas Gas. Who can explain otherwise.

This will work like GM and Toyota.

 

[Cruiser]

I still think the GG FE 450 was a superior bike to the yamaha.. at least in the last few years.. they get the bugs all worked out then walk away??

 

[gasgasman]

That was his intention all along.
GasGas said they hired him to do R+D on their new 4 strokes.

 

[thumperrider1]

i wouldn't ride/own another 450 bike to race harescambles with even if they gave me one.

GG two strokes are the bomb diggity.

 

[GMP]

+1, I hate them in the tight woods or technical trail. Steve is right, the latest 450s got very high ratings. I think the public is tiring of 450Fs though. DI 2strokes will eventually make them dinosaurs.

 

[REVERUP]

I still think the GG FE 450 was a superior bike to the yamaha.. at least in the last few years.. they get the bugs all worked out then walk away??

Ya, the late model EC 450 Gas Gas bike is very good, so smooth with lite engine braking with its slipper clutch, and the fuel injection made it's response instant or roll on, you decide. The torque and power of that motor is wonderful. That with its super planted stable yet precise handling made it a great bike especially when the terrain opens up a bit and speeds climb.

Hopefully they are taking what they learned from that run and modeling their new prototype after that.

Loose some weight, quiet it down a bit, a improve reliability and those would sell out west, I'd contemplate one for desert racing and open HS.

Roscoe

 

[MrBlah]

bleh I too have below zero interest in a 450 bike for trail use, if I got one for free I would sell it for a two stroke

I do keep a 4 stroke around for use on the road

 

[noobi]

As much as I dislike 4 strokes, the 2012 KXF250 is a very nice bike. I could probably race enduros with one without too much problem. Minimal engine braking, good torque for a 250f, easy starting, efi, sub 220 lbs. Its still a 4 stroke though.
Pretty much off topic, but I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would.

 

[JCat]

I beg to differ a little on the opinions of 450's being no good in tight single track.
I have owned nearly all 2t's up until my GG450 and I reckon it's one of the best single track bikes I've owned, yes it's a bit heavy but as long as you are moving it's no prob. The engine is so user friendly, I find I can ride the GG longer in the tight stuff than my KX250 that is set up for bush.

But I'm sure Gas Gas designed the 450 for this in mind.....

 

[Cruiser]

Some if set up right are great in the woods,, my 450 exc is good,, my buddies te450 sucks big time.. feels twice the size it is.. and strangely my 625sxc was not that bad in the singletrack.... but get into the stickfarms and anywhere you might have to pick it up.. its size and weight reared its ugly head.. but something nice about ridding a bike thru the woods with 60+hp at the rear wheel..
After the 625 the 450exc feels like a lightweight.. and the 250 feels like a mountain bike.. but then I ride with a couple guys who can ride the KTM adventures in the pa rocks almost at enduro speeds.. yes they do go through some very expensive parts.. but its neat to see a $15K 500# bike charging through a rock garden at the RORR enduro.. in New Philadelphia Pa..

 

[GMP]

If the Cannondale I had was a little shorter and turned a bit better, it would have been pretty decent in most of the stuff I ride. Even as it was, it was easier to ride than a TE450. Steve, your KTM feels a lot smaller than a TE, but the TE450s are very stable at higher speeds. 450s have their place, but anywhere that the weight comes into play, or the heat, is not for me. Your average dual sport or wherever you are not on/off the throttle a lot is fine. This is JMO for us average guys, not someone like Cervantes.

When you think about where these all came from, if it wasn't for the EPA here, and the prospect of lucrative parts sales, they likely would not exist at the level they do today and over ten years of hard R&D would have went into the two stroke. Its also possible that the direction was made easier by the sharing of road race and road technology, that was the case with Yamaha for sure. Thats where the big $$ is, and where the type of engine is dictated, so it makes sense all the big players would start there.

I've been to a lot of hare scrambles this fall, and its like the mid '90s again, the two stroke is coming back for sure.

 

[mcnut]

4-stroke=2 strokes too many!

 

[thumperrider1]

I've built and raced a few 4 strokes in the last 2 years.

HT320

280xcf

RMZ450

Traction and torque was great. Not consistently starting in gear (dead engine starts) ,occasional stalling a few times in a race and overheating was not. Our here we ride nothing but tight tight courses. Even my KTM 300xc would puke and steam especially if it got muddy. My 2011 GG 250 was just about perfect for what we do. Patiently waiting for my 2012.

 

[blitz11]

Those bikes look like crap! NOT!

Wow. Very nice looking machines, especially the last two.

However, i'd crash them to death, and they'd look like crap-pie in about a week. It would be too depressing to tear up such a sweet looking bike.

Does your GG look that nice? Have you posted pics of it?

Nice work.

 

[thumperrider1]

Here's the 2011 I had. Can't wait to build up the 2012. I think I might be just as addicted to building them up as riding them.

 

[Moto7man]

Cervantes in Poland

It appears that Cervantes had a tough time with Taddy in Poland.......

Blazusiak was again fastest off the start and grabbed an early lead in the final race of the night. With a clear track in front of him he laid down some of his fastest laps of the event, earning himself another victory. Behind him a three-rider battle broke out between Ljunggren, Cervantes and Walker for second. Cervantes was the first to falter allowing Walker into third place and also ending his chance of a possible third overall. Walker pushed Ljunggren hard for second, but with he couldn't pass the Swede and had to settle for third and second overall. Ljunggren's second position boosted him to third overall.

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/off-road/2011/12/11/taddy-perfect-again-in-poland/

 

[Keg]

It appears that Cervantes had a tough time with Taddy in Poland.......

What bike did he ride?

 

[tm_enduro]

What bike did he ride?

a 2 stroke

 

[john01]

Thumperrider1 nice looking bikes! Hey where in VA are you?