Eectric starter 2018?s..

[kiwigasgas]

I have 2 official tech bulletins .pdf with all of the info and fixes here. too big to upload but i can email them to anyone. Also one for the front axle which on some bikes was machined too thin and can potentially snap.

not really sure who to turn too now, guess i could buy a new CDI but that sucks.

 

[Keg]

Kiwigasgas, normal warranty steps in Aus/NZ is to take the bike to your dealer, they inspect the bike, lodge a query to the importer, they check the VIN and right procedure with Spain and then get back to you.

Have you had he bike from new? What is it?s history?

 

[Doc Brown]

I have 2 official tech bulletins .pdf with all of the info and fixes here. too big to upload but i can email them to anyone. Also one for the front axle which on some bikes was machined too thin and can potentially snap.

not really sure who to turn too now, guess i could buy a new CDI but that sucks.

Seems GasGas dealership is not at full professional level yet, let's hope they get that right over time.

I was called to bring the CDI in and got it back updated, I was also asked to check the front axle on my bike and on my friends.

I never was called because of this and my dealer has no information

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[kiwigasgas]

I didn't own the bike from new, was a shop soiled one that got stolen and recovered, was only 2 hours old.

Really that is irrelivent though, just had my friend have his 2006 Ktm 990 with 70000kms on it in under warranty.

They know there are problems, all it stands to do is made bad publicity, bikes out there that don't work properly.

Seems silly to have to book it in for a known problem, also the time frame would be substantial I'm guessing.

 

[tonyraft]

Hey kiwigasgas was talking to Linton at DAS in ChCh during the week and he say gasgas nz been taken over by somebody else just resently and is a bit of a shitfight at moment ! He no longer gg agent for no apparent reason , so you might not have any luck anywhere with dealers as I'm sure some of them don't know where they stand , on a side note has any of you guys having starter issues tried sealing starter housing and adding oil , I have a 17 it didn't start so good spoke to Linton and that's what he suggested I do , now my starter works fine , good battery fully charged helps heaps too !!!!! Good luck , oh now I remember gg nz getting run out of Aus ,

 

[Keg]

GasGas have a dealer network in New Zealand. I am sure they can all order bikes and parts. I can?t see shops unsure where they stand. The latest importer has been in place for almost a year.

Just take it to a dealer and let them go over it. No one ever fixed a bike complaining on a forum. If your bike was stolen and ridden, I would want to see it to diagnose it myself at my shop.

 

[Gibnut]

Perhaps there could be a GG app created that interfaces owners, dealers & the factory so upgrades, recalls & other technical info can be shared in a timely & efficient manner?

 

[kiwigasgas]

its a good idea to link all the dealers but i dont think they want to escalate it to the official recall status.

Tried my local dealer and they just seem to want to charge me for what i already know, tried to get usa on board but they are not responding.

Finally bought a new starter motor and a new battery and exactly the same. its like the starter is trying to turn over a V8. Does anybody have any suggestions as im out of ideas and im pretty mechanically savvy.

bearing in mind this is even jump starting from a car battery straight to the motor to test to eliminate the leads, solenoid, earthing ect

Suppose its flywheel ect off next but not sure what that is going to prove

 

[Fieds83]

New flywheel and CDI unit

I made some inquiries directly through GasGas Motos on their facebook messanger explaining the issues that i was having with my bike starting. I then asked what the updates were on the 2019 starter and electrical system and could they be retro fitted to my 2018.
They promptly asked me to send the CDI serial number and sent it to their techs. They were very polite and helpful.
A week and a half later I got a call from my dealer to say they had received a new CDI unit and flywheel for my bike.
I just picked bike up and it starts first press of the button and instantly, no continuous turning over like before, it runs smoother and is considerably quieter and less tinny at idle. I havent been for a proper ride yet but from what I have seen so far its a more refined beast now...
It was done under warranty.
GasGas have been great at following this up. From my experience it pays to speak directly to people that have the power to get the ball rolling.

 

[GGian]

Dealers are now able to update the size of the negative and positive main power cables from the battery, to the relay, and to the starter motor. Mine has been done, 2018 EC250GP and it works flawlessly on the stock battery. Good luck with it.

 

[Larsa]

I did think my start button was broken

After 15 hours and the first time on a MX track. My start engine started to fail.
Some time noting happens at all when I pressed the start button.
So contacted my re seller go get the modifications.
I did get new power cables bigger battery and new FW to my CDI box.
But still it the start motor will not spin at all some times when I press the start button.
Then I took a look and find out that the connector to start button and horn. Behind the head light was not connected 100%
After press them together again it did start to work again.
But now my GP300 2018 always starts on the first press.
Before the bigger battery, new cables and FW I was forced to press two times to get it to start

 

[Wypipo]

Im confused on where to mount the negative cable. Some have told me to run it from the negative terminal of the battery to the starter coil. others have ran a cable from the starter bracket to the starter coil, and a separate from negative terminal to earth. some have removed the original earth and some have kept it. What is the correct procedure recommended from GG?

 

[Skyrooster]

One of my riding buddies bought his 300 on Friday and his starting problems began on Saturday. His bike will crank over really good like the starter and battery is working perfectly but the engine will not start or even try to start. If he gives it a half kick with the kick starter it's instantly running. He had to wait to pick his bike up because the dealer was waiting on a re-flashed ECU. I believe his problem is either in the relay or wiring if the bike has a separate circuit that powers the ECU during cranking. If there isn't a separate circuit then it would have to be an ECU problem when the voltage is low during cranking and not able to properly power the ignition. I could have easily traced it out for him if he would have got a manual with a wiring diagram but since he didn't get a manual of any kind it's going back to the dealer when they open on Tuesday.

 

[gasgasman]

The manual with the wiring schematic is on the factory GasGas web page.

 

[Doc Brown]

Im confused on where to mount the negative cable. Some have told me to run it from the negative terminal of the battery to the starter coil. others have ran a cable from the starter bracket to the starter coil, and a separate from negative terminal to earth. some have removed the original earth and some have kept it. What is the correct procedure recommended from GG?

use a thick cable from the battery negative pole to the starter bracket. Make sure there is no paint on the bracket so that the teminal sits on bare metal.

That is what GG does on the 19's. As an alternative replace the OEM negative cable with a thicker one and install one cable between the starter bracket and the ignition coil ground point. Whatever version you prefer, use a thicker positive cable between battery and starter relay additionally.

 

[memphis2857]

One of my riding buddies bought his 300 on Friday and his starting problems began on Saturday. His bike will crank over really good like the starter and battery is working perfectly but the engine will not start or even try to start. If he gives it a half kick with the kick starter it's instantly running. He had to wait to pick his bike up because the dealer was waiting on a re-flashed ECU. I believe his problem is either in the relay or wiring if the bike has a separate circuit that powers the ECU during cranking. If there isn't a separate circuit then it would have to be an ECU problem when the voltage is low during cranking and not able to properly power the ignition. I could have easily traced it out for him if he would have got a manual with a wiring diagram but since he didn't get a manual of any kind it's going back to the dealer when they open on Tuesday.

He should have received a USB thumb drive with the manuals and parts fische on it. Also the manuals are readily available on the GG website.


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[Skyrooster]

He should have received a USB thumb drive with the manuals and parts fische on it. Also the manuals are readily available on the GG website.


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I think they mailed him the thumb drive, he just didn't have it when I was there to help him.

He talked to his dealer and they direct shipped him another battery and ECU. The ECU didn't seem to change anything but the battery helped. The dealer had already updated the battery cables and installed a reflashed ECU before he bought the bike. He only has to make sure it cold starts and if so problem solved.

 

[Wably]

2018 EC 250 Electric Starter Issue Fixed

The leads from the battery to the chassis and starter solenoid are way too small to supply enough juice to the starter. The existing leads look to be 10 gauge wire. I didnt have any 8 gauge wire to replace the stock leads, so I created two additional leads out of 10 gauge and installed a second lead on top of each existing lead.

No more waiting for the bike to warm up to use E-start!

Starter spins significantly faster. I may never have to kick again!

 

[Wypipo]

I have updated cdi, positive cable, negative cable from battery to frame in the same spot as before but now with 8 gauge, and from starter bracket to starter relay. Also 210 CCA shorai battery. Still having issues. Any ideas?

 

[RudolfHucker]

Does the engine start if you push and quickly release the kill button when the starter is spinning?

This is something you can do on the KTM 2 strokes with external starter. This tricks the CDI into producing a bigger spark, if I remember correctly.

The KTM starters would progressively slow down due to friction build up in the bendix and crown wheel. It might be worth stripping, cleaning and lubing the drive train to eliminate that possibility.