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[JdB]

Hi GasGas riders!

I have been stopping by here for a while and decided to jump in with a few questions for you guys,.
I think my next bike will be EC300 and I cant stop thinking about it, I have been wondering about the differences between the standard enduro and the racing models - the standard enduro model has the flywheel weights right ? and the racing model has the Ohlins suspension. What is the main diffference between the Ohlins and the Marzocchis , and the Ohlins shock and the Sachs shocks? What is it that makes them Ohlins "better" ?. My riding areas are a mixture of very rocky single track with loose rocks and fixed rocks big and small , also very much loose stones and sand. I would ideally like to have an EC300 with the flywheel weights, tuned for torque, with the best suspension for the rocks and sand. What would you guys recommend ?
Cheers
Jerry

 

[JdB]

OK too many noob questions, how about these instead:

Anyone know anything about the new Sachs forks? I have tried to find info on the net but cant find anything at all.. If anyone knows it must be GasGas riders right? Cant wait to read some test articles on the new Sachs front end.

The standard 45 mm marzocchis , on the Husky at least, are harsh (from experience) and need revalving - BUT , I dont want to have to spend the money it costs to rework forks - on a new bike ! Are the stock GasGas 45mm Marzocchis better in some way?

Thanks in advance
J

 

[eff]

Welcome to the site!

You will find that many folks like the 45mm Marzocchi's and for most are a better choice than the Ohlins forks. This is because they work well and cost less and are easier to work on.

 

[JdB]

Welcome to the site!

You will find that many folks like the 45mm Marzocchi's and for most are a better choice than the Ohlins forks. This is because they work well and cost less and are easier to work on.

Hey thanks Eff Yeah I was thinking the same, if the stock 45mm GasGas version Marzocchis are better than the stock Husky ones. The Sachs 48´s are also intriguing!

Cheers
J

 

[MattR]

While both GG and Husky use the 45mm Marzocchi fork, they are valved differently internally per each companies spec. Like eff mentioned, most folks are happy with the stock valving. I would try this with some clicker adjustments before spending money on a revalve.

The EC250/300 comes with the heavier kokusan 2K-3 ignition. This is good for higher lighting output and nasty trail conditions. The US-spec bikes may be coming with the DE configuration (using the lighter 2K-2 ignition). You may want to ask your dealer when you purchase a bike. In any case, the two ignitions are easy to swap out and there are pros/cons for both. With the 2K-3, you will never need more flywheel weight, whereas on the 2K-2 some like to run a 10oz or 12oz. flywheel weight.

Good luck!

 

[JdB]

Thanks Matt, good info about the ignition types/flywheel weights. I must admit I seem to be on a mission at the moment, never had a 2 stroke enduro and have a lot to learn. Sounds like the EC300 might give the best of both 4 stroke and 2 stroke worlds with its torque and light weight, and most things I hear about the handling is good. Seems like my ideal bike. I would really like the option of a bigger tank though.

Cheers
J

 

[barkeater]

I've ridden on both the 'zokes and Ohlins forks. I have the Ohlins on my EC200 and I've been on a few DE300's with the 'zokes... In my opinion, they are equal. What tips preference to the Marzocchis is the maintenance. I will not work on the Ohlins myself. They get sent to Les.

Haven't had the privilege to ride on the Sachs yet, front or rear.

Sounds like the EC300 might give the best of both 4 stroke and 2 stroke worlds with its torque and light weight, and most things I hear about the handling is good.

BINGO!

Bigger tanks are available.

 

[JdB]

What tips preference to the Marzocchis is the maintenance.
Bigger tanks are available.

Hi Barkeater (nice avatar pic ) Who does the bigger tanks ? I hought I read that IMS and Clarke dont do them - maybe I was wrong?

cheers
J

 

[barkeater]

Last I heard, Clarke was still making them...

They list 2 stroke tanks for Gas Gas up to 2006. I haven't been able to get my mitts on a '07 or '08 bike, so I don't know if the Clarke fits a Gasser newer than '06 or not, BUT, I'm sure there is someone on this site who does.

(thanks, I was hoping someone would catch the new avatar.)

 

[JdB]

Last I heard, Clarke was still making them...

They list 2 stroke tanks for Gas Gas up to 2006. I haven't been able to get my mitts on a '07 or '08 bike, so I don't know if the Clarke fits a Gasser newer than '06 or not, BUT, I'm sure there is someone on this site who does.

(thanks, I was hoping someone would catch the new avatar.)

Hi Barkeater, I sent an email to Clarke this morning, and got a reply after just a few minutes unfortunately the answer was negative for 2007 and up 2 strokes..


Jerry

The tank will not fit the 2007 -2008 models

The subframe etc are different. It has been tried

Thanks
Chris
Clarke Mfg Co.
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Hi Chris
Thanks for your quick answer ! Are there any plans to manufacture for 2007 and up gasgas 2 strokes?
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Jerry

At this time I do not think so

Chris
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[Boomhauer]

The bigger tanks will not fit on the 07-08 bikes. A friend of mine tried it and it was a very ugly situation to say the least.

 

[barkeater]

Are there any plans to manufacture for 2007 and up gasgas 2 strokes?

At this time I do not think so

If the Husaberg guys could get Clarke to make oversize tanks for the 'bergs, we should be able to get a production run for '07+ Gassers.

I don't need one, but for a lot of guys it's a deal breaker when they're looking at a 2 stroke. **Dealers** - commitments and requests from you to Clarke would help.

Steve/Mark - any collaborations on a larger tank '07+?

 

[JdB]

If the Husaberg guys could get Clarke to make oversize tanks for the 'bergs, we should be able to get a production run for '07+ Gassers.

I don't need one, but for a lot of guys it's a deal breaker when they're looking at a 2 stroke. **Dealers** - commitments and requests from you to Clarke would help.

Steve/Mark - any collaborations on a larger tank '07+?

Good point, well I´m willing to talk to the local GasGas dealer to see if he would commit to buying some, also I dont even have a GasGas yet, but would buy a tank.
I´m going to email Chris at Clarke´s to ask how many they need ordered to make a batch.
Cheers
J

 

[JdB]

Good point, well I´m willing to talk to the local GasGas dealer to see if he would commit to buying some, also I dont even have a GasGas yet, but would buy a tank.
I´m going to email Chris at Clarke´s to ask how many they need ordered to make a batch.
Cheers
J

Oh well it was worth a try, here is the question and answer:

Hi again Chris

If there was a commitment to buy a certain amount of tanks, would Clarke be
willing to make a batch ? If so, how many tanks would you need a commitment for?

Cheers
Jerry
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Jerry

We cannot do this

Sorry
Chris

 

[Skidad]

Try IMS and see what they say.


Skidad in MA

 

[JdB]

Try IMS and see what they say.


Skidad in MA

Sent the same question to IMS, see if I get an answer after the week end.
As a matter of interest, what sort of average milegae do you get from a stock tank on an EC300 ? You know- mixed terrain, climbs, sand etc. I would like to get at least 100 miles (160 Km) from a full tank.
Cheers
J

 

[Bearman]

A mate of mine has an '07 EC300 and he is a very fast rider. He and my uncle rode around 98 kilometers last weekend, an even mixture of tight and open stuff, and lots of big climbs and down hilss (very hilly in this area of Australia). When they got back to camp he checked his fuel. He hadn't hit reserve but he wasnt far off it.

So i think a fair bet is that you could probably get 100 kilometers out of the stock 9,5 litre tank. However, i wasn't on the ride, so i'm not sure of how hard he actually rode, or of the exact tracks, from what I gather it was a mix of open and tight riding, and he pushed fairly hard.

 

[Brian VT]

I figure about 50 miles per tank on my stock 300, but I'm not sure. It's probably closer to 60 but I wouldn't push it. The reserve is minimal (1 mile ?).

 

[JdB]

I figure about 50 miles per tank on my stock 300, but I'm not sure. It's probably closer to 60 but I wouldn't push it. The reserve is minimal (1 mile ?).

Thanks guys, so its 90-10Km per tank. A 14 litre tank will give then around 140 Km - so thats OK.
Hopefully someone will like to make a tank ,see what IMS say after the week end.
J

 

[JdB]

Thanks guys, so its 90-10Km per tank. A 14 litre tank will give then around 140 Km - so thats OK.
Hopefully someone will like to make a tank ,see what IMS say after the week end.
J

So far no reply from IMS