GPS recomendations
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GMP
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Paul,
I have a Garmin eTrex Legend as well, but the original one with the monochrome display and 8M built in memory. It has been on four bikes and is bulletproof. All I did was shim the batteries tighter and use dielectric grease on the contact ends. Its waterproof too, after a ride I wash the mud off in the sink. If you don't care about color these are still in production and pretty cheap, like around $150 I beleive. I have all the software and it works great for mapping trails and following previous tracks. 8M doesn't sound like much but you can fit far more topo data than you can ride in a weekend. I can fit north NJ, east PA, and south NY, and these are feature rich areas (more memory). Any unit that fits nice on the bars will have a relatively small display. Whatever you get, get or make a nice vibration isolated mount. The RAM mounts are nice for a road bike but a little to high profile for my taste. I made my own years ago. What I would do now is get the cradle for whatever GPS you choose from RAM (very cheap), and mount it to a thin plate with vibration isolators, the plate mounting to the left or right bar clamp bolts.
I have a Garmin eTrex Legend as well, but the original one with the monochrome display and 8M built in memory. It has been on four bikes and is bulletproof. All I did was shim the batteries tighter and use dielectric grease on the contact ends. Its waterproof too, after a ride I wash the mud off in the sink. If you don't care about color these are still in production and pretty cheap, like around $150 I beleive. I have all the software and it works great for mapping trails and following previous tracks. 8M doesn't sound like much but you can fit far more topo data than you can ride in a weekend. I can fit north NJ, east PA, and south NY, and these are feature rich areas (more memory). Any unit that fits nice on the bars will have a relatively small display. Whatever you get, get or make a nice vibration isolated mount. The RAM mounts are nice for a road bike but a little to high profile for my taste. I made my own years ago. What I would do now is get the cradle for whatever GPS you choose from RAM (very cheap), and mount it to a thin plate with vibration isolators, the plate mounting to the left or right bar clamp bolts.
cvl05
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I'm with Glenn. Garmin etrx color. I use a Ram ball type mount, in theory this mount should be the cake but in reality it won't stay where you set it, moves around on the ball mount. The gps is top line, TOPO software from National Geographic IMO is the best topo out there. Really makes mapping your favorite trails and newly found trails nice. I even keep it on my laptop and take that and a printer with me in the truck some times so i can print maps for riding buddies on the spot, wierd i know!!!
cvl05
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One recommendation, put a stick on cover over the screen on whatever you buy. I use the ones for pocket pc's that you can get from Staples or Office Depot. Will save your screen from scratches and rock dings. Will not help when you loop out on that steep uphill,lol.
I hate garmin......
I have a 2 year old one and now they want $129.95 per year to up date the maps. I only use the standard mode and my unit has to receive signal and maps every time I use it. I think I only paid $260.00 + for it at Costco and never have been happy with it. It gives bad directions!
I have a 2 year old one and now they want $129.95 per year to up date the maps. I only use the standard mode and my unit has to receive signal and maps every time I use it. I think I only paid $260.00 + for it at Costco and never have been happy with it. It gives bad directions!
GMP
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For topo work that is not an issue. The MapSource software thet works with the etrex series has free updates. I have a new Garmin Nuvi 255 with a RAM mount on my Ducati and it has been great. Better than stopping and looking at paper maps, I use it to see whats ahead not to tell me where to go. With a small tank on an 1100 cc twin I need to know where the next gas station is.
BTW, you can buy some GPS systems from Garmin direct at a substantial discount for being an AMA member. I paid $169 for my Nuvi about a month ago, with one free update included.
BTW, you can buy some GPS systems from Garmin direct at a substantial discount for being an AMA member. I paid $169 for my Nuvi about a month ago, with one free update included.
d2w
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I have a Garmin 60CSx (I think) unit which I'm very happy with >>> for trail riding <<<. But I do think that your intended usage of the unit will influence your happiness. 
I use mine almost exclusively in "bread-crumb" mode where I track my riding. I then upload the data onto my PC where I maintain a database of trails. I overlay the data on topomaps, GoogleEarth shots, etc. I use the data/software as a ride planning tool. I don't download topo data to my GPS. I don't consult the GPS when I ride (other that to find the truck if I get turned-around). Or sometimes I'll use the GPS to get me to a trailhead. But once I'm riding I look forward at the trail and not at the unit!
And my mount reflects that; I use the provided clip to secure the unit to my chest protector/roost guard. Statistically, I seem to survive wipe-outs better than my bike.
I don't seem to slam my chest. So far, so good. I don't think I could say the same thing if the usint were mounted on the bars.
I do use those plastic PDA screen protectors on the unit. They are an effective way to keep the original plastic/glass (?) scratch free.
I can see how one could be disappointed/unhappy with a Garmin Nuvi type of road-unit in the dirt. My understanding of the units is that they're not set up for trail use/bread-crumbing. But I have no first hand experience with one (other than on a road trip).
One "fun-feature" of my 60CSx is the barometric altimeter. Yes, I realize that it only measures atmospheric differences and is literally effected by the weather. But, overlooking that basic limitation, having altitude info is fun. There's a site (gpsvisulizer (?) or something like that), which - among other filters - will colour your track by changes in elevation. The coloured data can then be overlayed on GoogleEarth.
Have fun with whatever you buy.
Dale
I use mine almost exclusively in "bread-crumb" mode where I track my riding. I then upload the data onto my PC where I maintain a database of trails. I overlay the data on topomaps, GoogleEarth shots, etc. I use the data/software as a ride planning tool. I don't download topo data to my GPS. I don't consult the GPS when I ride (other that to find the truck if I get turned-around). Or sometimes I'll use the GPS to get me to a trailhead. But once I'm riding I look forward at the trail and not at the unit! And my mount reflects that; I use the provided clip to secure the unit to my chest protector/roost guard. Statistically, I seem to survive wipe-outs better than my bike.
I don't seem to slam my chest. So far, so good. I don't think I could say the same thing if the usint were mounted on the bars.I do use those plastic PDA screen protectors on the unit. They are an effective way to keep the original plastic/glass (?) scratch free.
I can see how one could be disappointed/unhappy with a Garmin Nuvi type of road-unit in the dirt. My understanding of the units is that they're not set up for trail use/bread-crumbing. But I have no first hand experience with one (other than on a road trip).
One "fun-feature" of my 60CSx is the barometric altimeter. Yes, I realize that it only measures atmospheric differences and is literally effected by the weather. But, overlooking that basic limitation, having altitude info is fun. There's a site (gpsvisulizer (?) or something like that), which - among other filters - will colour your track by changes in elevation. The coloured data can then be overlayed on GoogleEarth.
Have fun with whatever you buy.
Dale
GMP
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Paul,
The periodic map updates are primarily for road navigation units and take into account new construction. It generally has nothing to do with topo data for what your interested in. The only updates I have had were to correct minor bugs in the software, like any other software, and it was all free. The eTrex I have, or the newer color models will do exactly what you want, as thats what I do with it. I have everything saved in my PC. Typically I record a track, upload it to the PC, clean it up and add waypoints with notes, like for a tight turn into singletrack that is usually overgrown in summer. If memory fails the GPS backs you up.
The periodic map updates are primarily for road navigation units and take into account new construction. It generally has nothing to do with topo data for what your interested in. The only updates I have had were to correct minor bugs in the software, like any other software, and it was all free. The eTrex I have, or the newer color models will do exactly what you want, as thats what I do with it. I have everything saved in my PC. Typically I record a track, upload it to the PC, clean it up and add waypoints with notes, like for a tight turn into singletrack that is usually overgrown in summer. If memory fails the GPS backs you up.
I've been happy with the Garmin GPSMap 60 CSX. Have a mount on both bikes and move it from bike to bike. Seems to be pretty tough. Has survived a number of crashes. Good battery life. I also put a DC power plug on the bikes for no-battery operation. The GG vibrates enough to "disconnect" the batteries and turn the unit off. The power plug solves this.
I'm happy with my GArmin 60cx
But it has some drawbacks for long trips, it only holds a ridiculous 20 tracks with 500 points each, enough for one or 2 day ride, but a pain for a long trip.
I'm going to Morroco this sunday for a 10 days trip and I can not store all the trip inside
, both the colorado and zumo series from garmin do not have those limitations.
have fun,
j.
But it has some drawbacks for long trips, it only holds a ridiculous 20 tracks with 500 points each, enough for one or 2 day ride, but a pain for a long trip.
I'm going to Morroco this sunday for a 10 days trip and I can not store all the trip inside
, both the colorado and zumo series from garmin do not have those limitations.have fun,
j.
GMP
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That would get torn off my bike in a few miles, OK for open stuff though.
I too run into the track number limitation even though there is plenty of memory, but don't have an issue with points per track even on the highest resolution. My use, and I suspect Paul's, is more single day/multiple track/high res. I'd like to keep all the local trails on the unit, with each trail as its own track, but have to download one of two track sets to get around this limitation until I can find a workaround in software. It is kind of silly, like the original PC 640K barrier in DOS, why?
The Zumo is huge, OK for a road bike but too big (and $$) for off road.
I too run into the track number limitation even though there is plenty of memory, but don't have an issue with points per track even on the highest resolution. My use, and I suspect Paul's, is more single day/multiple track/high res. I'd like to keep all the local trails on the unit, with each trail as its own track, but have to download one of two track sets to get around this limitation until I can find a workaround in software. It is kind of silly, like the original PC 640K barrier in DOS, why?
The Zumo is huge, OK for a road bike but too big (and $$) for off road.
GasGasSouthWest
New member
The perfect GPS for off-road bikes!
Well, that being said I don't think there is a perfect GPS for off-road but
there are some really good ones. I've done alot of research on them and
I've decided on the Garmin 60CSX. They run about $250 to $300 new and
seem to hold their value well because I haven't found a good deal on a used
one yet (used $200 to $300!). I narrowed it down to 3 models which are
listed below. I could post some links but the easiest way I found is to go on
google.com and search for:
garmin 60CSX vs Colorado vs Oregon
The Colorado and Oregon are newer but I found they aren't quite as accurate
as the 60CSX and they don't show up as well in direct sunlight (I live in
Arizona where it is almost always direct sunlight unless it's dark!) The other
have a more 3-dimensional look to them for the topos but are harder to
read in direct sunlight. I am also 50 years old and if you look at all of the
screen shots that you find on these GPS forums of the 3 units, the 60CSX is the easiest of
the 3 to read.
Just my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.
Tom
Well, that being said I don't think there is a perfect GPS for off-road but
there are some really good ones. I've done alot of research on them and
I've decided on the Garmin 60CSX. They run about $250 to $300 new and
seem to hold their value well because I haven't found a good deal on a used
one yet (used $200 to $300!). I narrowed it down to 3 models which are
listed below. I could post some links but the easiest way I found is to go on
google.com and search for:
garmin 60CSX vs Colorado vs Oregon
The Colorado and Oregon are newer but I found they aren't quite as accurate
as the 60CSX and they don't show up as well in direct sunlight (I live in
Arizona where it is almost always direct sunlight unless it's dark!) The other
have a more 3-dimensional look to them for the topos but are harder to
read in direct sunlight. I am also 50 years old and if you look at all of the
screen shots that you find on these GPS forums of the 3 units, the 60CSX is the easiest of
the 3 to read.
Just my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.
Tom
GasGasSouthWest
New member
The perfect GPS for off-road bikes!
Well, that being said I don't think there is a perfect GPS for off-road but
there are some really good ones. I've done alot of research on them and
I've decided on the Garmin 60CSX. They run about $250 to $300 new and
seem to hold their value well because I haven't found a good deal on a used
one yet (used $200 to $300!). I narrowed it down to 3 models which are
listed below. I could post some links but the easiest way I found is to go on
google.com and search for:
garmin 60CSX vs Colorado vs Oregon
The Colorado and Oregon are newer but I found they aren't quite as accurate
as the 60CSX and they don't show up as well in direct sunlight (I live in
Arizona where it is almost always direct sunlight unless it's dark!) The other
have a more 3-dimensional look to them for the topos but are harder to
read in direct sunlight. I am also 50 years old and if you look at all of the
screen shots that you find on these GPS forums of the 3 units, the 60CSX
is the easiest of the 3 to read.
Just my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.
Tom
Well, that being said I don't think there is a perfect GPS for off-road but
there are some really good ones. I've done alot of research on them and
I've decided on the Garmin 60CSX. They run about $250 to $300 new and
seem to hold their value well because I haven't found a good deal on a used
one yet (used $200 to $300!). I narrowed it down to 3 models which are
listed below. I could post some links but the easiest way I found is to go on
google.com and search for:
garmin 60CSX vs Colorado vs Oregon
The Colorado and Oregon are newer but I found they aren't quite as accurate
as the 60CSX and they don't show up as well in direct sunlight (I live in
Arizona where it is almost always direct sunlight unless it's dark!) The other
have a more 3-dimensional look to them for the topos but are harder to
read in direct sunlight. I am also 50 years old and if you look at all of the
screen shots that you find on these GPS forums of the 3 units, the 60CSX
is the easiest of the 3 to read.
Just my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.
Tom
