I love my 2 stroke but. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I love my 2 stroke but I miss the planted feeling of the 4 stroke. I currently ride a 200, I don't know if it's the nature of the beast but I would like to get some input from you guys. Will a 300 feel as planted as a 4 stroke ?
Any information or points of view would be appreciated.
 
Haven't ridden a GG300, but I know my GG200 is WAY more planted than the orange 300 I had previously. The front end of that bike sucked.

A buddy I ride with regularly rips on an orange 250 4T, he's had the front end re-valved (different spring and valving in the shock too) and the weight of the valve train seems to make the bike feel heavier up front (and overall).

Have you done anything with the forks or shock? How about adding a steering damper? The nature of the beast will make it seem a bit more flighty, but getting the forks dialed (and shock) as well as adding a steering damper will help.

It's hard for me to ride a 4T after riding 2Ts for so long, engine braking really messes with me...lol. I do like the tractor feel, but not enough to think about switching - prefer the ease of maintenance and power delivery of my little 200.
 
Rode 200's 4 seasons. The Gasgas EC200 is far more stable than the KTM 200. I'm convinced it's because the Gasgas is built on a 250 chassis vs the KTM on the 125.

I feel 200's are inherently less stable than other larger cc bikes. The Gasgas does improve with a steering stabilizer, but it's just the nature of a lighter cc bike with less inertia to keep it feeling planted.

I've owned a Gasgas 300 and it's a more planted feel than the 200. It feels less likely to deflect or unstable through obstacles.

Switched to a KTM thumper last Fall just cuz and talk about planted! Feels like nothing can knock you off of your line.

It's all a trade off though. The thumper doesn't slice and dice through the tight stuff like the 200.
 
Not sure what year you have, but the 12up is the most planted bike I've ever rode 2t or 4t. pick any line you want, no surprises.
 
Ha, didn't you ask this on that "other" forum? ;):D

Is it planted feeling or tractability feeling?

My GG 300 feels very planted compared to the KTM 300's I had....and it is almost has tractable as my KTM 505. That engine kinda ran like a 2T though as for power delivery, had quite a bit of snap to it. The GG 300 lugs waaay better down.

The new KTM 350 XC is supposed to be pretty amazing. haven't had a chance to throw a leg over one yet.
 
If it's truly planted you want, the 200 probably isn't going to be "the"bike for that regardless of the year.

For a truly planted feel, the thumper is the key due to the inertia and low throbby linear power.

The best 2-stroke choice would be a 300.
 
What have you had done to your boingers? I can make my bike skitter and bounce around, or make it plough and thud through things with a couple of clicks.

Where are the forks set? What sag are you running? Where is the rear axle in the blocks? Have you made any changes to the geometry to see if it improves your stability (which I read as planted feeling).

As others have said, there is a lot to be said for reciprocating mass. Bigger the donk, the more mass you have pulling it in a certain direction, the more stable it feels. It comes at the expense of agility though. In saying that though, I find the 12+ chassis to be a very good balance of the who. It steers well, and when setup holds a line as well as I could ask it to.
 
I have both a newer 300 & 200 both are planted compared to my 2005 & 2011 200 s . I do work my suspension and set the sag and feel to work for me . But the newer bikes are much better if you are looking for a planted feel . For strokes are GREAT dual sport bikes if you do alot of that kind of riding . I rebuild my 2 strokes engine in no time , and have a planted bike in the newer gasgas .
 
I had a 2011 GG 300 and now I ride a 2013 CRF450. The GG was a very stable bike and even though it weighed 20 lbs more than my 450 it had a much lighter "feel" to it. The 300 felt like you were riding a jack rabbit. Very quick handling and precise but was very busy feeling. The 450 on the other hand is like a big wide bulldozer going through the woods. It tends to soak up the small stuff a lot better but can be a handful when the trail gets narrow due to its slower handling. Just 2 totally different bikes requiring 2 completely different riding styles.


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memphis2857 said:
I had a 2011 GG 300 and now I ride a 2013 CRF450. The GG was a very stable bike and even though it weighed 20 lbs more than my 450 it had a much lighter "feel" to it. The 300 felt like you were riding a jack rabbit. Very quick handling and precise but was very busy feeling. The 450 on the other hand is like a big wide bulldozer going through the woods. It tends to soak up the small stuff a lot better but can be a handful when the trail gets narrow due to its slower handling. Just 2 totally different bikes requiring 2 completely different riding styles.


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The 11 and older chassis tend to be kinda 'busy'. The 12 & newer don't have that issue.
I rode a new CRF450 a couple times this past summer. It was masochistic trying to get it thru tight woods. It just didn't like to turn the way I'm used to on my GG, but it did get from corner to corner pretty quick. It was exhausting to ride & I couldn't wait to get back on my 250.
 
Every 450 iv ridden has a ridiculously high mx 1st gear which resulted in a lot of stalls in the tight stuff.now i guess a rekluse would help but im a bloke so dont mind a good squeeze!
in more open terrain the 450s grunt really shines.
But iv seen a few too many blow up(esp honda,coincidentally) and some of the repair bills are just horrendous.the worst iv heard of was to the tune of $7000nz!(kawa 450)
Bills of $2-3000nz at 150-200hrs are common.
No thanks.il throw $300 at the far more nimble gasser every 60-70hrs and put my kids thru school with the change.
Perhaps if i win lotto?
Still no,id put a 300 or a trials bike next to the 200!
 
Funny reading this thread, as I have had just the opposite experience to most. My 2011 200 is the one of the more rock steady rides I have had. My katoom 350 was awful (never got the suspension figured out, constant washouts on the front end). Katoom 300 and 400 were okay. I am riding the sag lighter than recommended by a few mm. I have the HOH progressive springs although it tracked well before that.
 
you tube smoker or stoker I just watched my mechanic leave his 310 husky after working on the engine for at least 15 hours . At least it turned over ,my 2014 200 maybe a an hour and a half doing everythig I could do to it . I spent about $200 compared to his $1000. And Mattos had all the parts in stock including thicker base gaskets. :D And I have been looking at the Beta 500 as my dual sport ? I will have to think about another 4 stroke for a while .
 
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