**ping**Michigan GG riders
- Thread starter bukwheat
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Clay
Banned
Here's the story: Aaron Wagner from Michigan was one of our support riders. At at a hare scramble he fell over a jump and another rider hit him and broke the plastic subframe. GF had one side of the frame but not the other due to b/o from the factory so he rode his Yamaha at the next race. Mark got the parts in and Aaron rode an enduro in MI. He got stuck in a mud hole and jammed something between the chain and sprocket and broke some gears in the tranny. We told our support riders at the beginning of the year that we would provide bikes only, no parts. Aaron's dad got mad that we would not buy the parts for this bike and called it quits.
So there is some truth to the story and the orange guys are going to tell it to look bad on us.
Clay
So there is some truth to the story and the orange guys are going to tell it to look bad on us.
Clay
bukwheat
New member
Clay, would you like to address this over on KTMTalk or do you want me to or just leave it lay as it is? Thanks for the explanation nevertheless....
Clay
Banned
Aaron's damaged tranny was a freak thing taht could have happened to any rider on any brand. Something got caught between the chain and sprocket and jammed and broke a bunch of parts. GF had every one of those tranny parts in stock and the bike could have been repaired between races but Dennis (Aaron's dad) got upset about having to pay for the parts. Steve Beane had the engine disassembled by Tuesday and was ready to put it together on Thursday.
Lonestar4x4
New member
I rode D14 back when Aaron was a teenager, his Dad would blame someone or something everytime Aaron got beat. Now that Aaron is a grown man it's funny to see his old man hasn't changed a bit, he always did the talking for his son...
Clay, I ride in TX now if you need to give that bike to someone who would actually appreciate it.
Clay, I ride in TX now if you need to give that bike to someone who would actually appreciate it.
I rode D14 back when Aaron was a teenager, his Dad would blame someone or something everytime Aaron got beat. Now that Aaron is a grown man it's funny to see his old man hasn't changed a bit, he always did the talking for his son...
Clay, I ride in TX now if you need to give that bike to someone who would actually appreciate it.
Or an A rider like myself in Ohio...
Clay
Banned
desertgasser300
Banned
Oh no! Not a free bike to ride....You mean I gotta pay for the parts I break!
Thats an unfortunate position for Aaron. Having your dad living vicariously thru you.
Thats an unfortunate position for Aaron. Having your dad living vicariously thru you.
desertgasser300
Banned
Can't find the post on KTM talk? Do you have a link?
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wheelie
New member
I have a friend that was on Team Green in early 2000-2001 for GNCC's running 250A class. He was one step away from running with the pro's (and was fast enough to do it).
He had twin bikes (practice & race). The race was provided by Kaw and the practice (I don't know for sure) but was from dad/or discounted from Kaw.
When guys/kids get that good & dads are involved things get complicated. It isn't about the racing anymore (you know just hanging with the family, being with your buds, riding for fun, not a care in the world, just want to do your best, etc).
It seems the pressure is turned up to "preform" and it changes the person. It isn't a sport anymore, its a job. It can go good or it can go bad. If it goes bad (have bad results, bad presence,etc) its over. You usually don't get another shot. If it goes good the sky is the limit within reason.
I've seen some deals go bad and it really (in my eyes) hurts the racer himself. I hope the best for Aaron, but don't feel to bad for him. i just feel bad for the whole situation as it affects gasgas and possible future help to other up & coming racers that may "want" support from GG.
PS...I will race the bike also & pay for the fixes....lol
He had twin bikes (practice & race). The race was provided by Kaw and the practice (I don't know for sure) but was from dad/or discounted from Kaw.
When guys/kids get that good & dads are involved things get complicated. It isn't about the racing anymore (you know just hanging with the family, being with your buds, riding for fun, not a care in the world, just want to do your best, etc).
It seems the pressure is turned up to "preform" and it changes the person. It isn't a sport anymore, its a job. It can go good or it can go bad. If it goes bad (have bad results, bad presence,etc) its over. You usually don't get another shot. If it goes good the sky is the limit within reason.
I've seen some deals go bad and it really (in my eyes) hurts the racer himself. I hope the best for Aaron, but don't feel to bad for him. i just feel bad for the whole situation as it affects gasgas and possible future help to other up & coming racers that may "want" support from GG.
PS...I will race the bike also & pay for the fixes....lol
desertgasser300
Banned
Hey! Hey, hey! Before we start kicking dads to the curb, think about this: How many kids would be racing without their dad's involvement?
On the other hand, I keep telling my son if he gets a little faster he might be able to get a better mechanic.
Yeah, my dad was involved in everything I did and supported me 100%, but he also told me, "when you stop having fun doing this it's time to re-think it or move on!"
He even supported me when he saw his only son move into a van and travel the states following the comp. curcuit. Living of the few measly dollars the sponsors gave me.
I guess what it comes down to is that Aaron and his father have there own relationship and I apologize for offenses I may have said in an earlier post.
Clay
Banned
Hey! Hey, hey! Before we start kicking dads to the curb, think about this: How many kids would be racing without their dad's involvement?
On the other hand, I keep telling my son if he gets a little faster he might be able to get a better mechanic.
LOL! That's funny! I'm going to start telling my son that!
