Tyres for Icy conditions
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MattR
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Option #1:
Trelleborg carbide studs (or other brands with carbide studs) work good in a variety of conditions but best on snow covered trails. Snow limit is about 8" deep. Beyond that the rear wheel tend to spin too much plus the front wheel doesn't track well. These tires are pricey, but they last several seasons. Tires with custom installed carbide studs run about $200-250 each. Trelleborgs run about $300-350 each. You can also find used Trelleborgs with good life left for about half cost. When you consider the prices of ice screws (see option #2), carbide tires can be economical when you factor in multiple seasons.
Option #2:
Kold Kutter screws (i.e., specific ice screws) have a special cupped-shaped hex screw head. The cupped-shape has a very sharp cutting edge that bites into the ice. These screws are put into the knob from the outside and easy to do with the tires already mounted on your bike. Shorter screws such as 1/2" or 5/8" can be used without tire liners. If you use longer screws than the knob height, then you will need a tire liner. Tire liners help to anchor the screws to prevent losing them during rides.
Tires with Kold Kutters in each knob or multiple screws per knob work great on frozen lakes, very icy trail conditions, and hard packed snow. They can be used in loose snow conditions but the snow limit is about 4" deep. Kold Kutters don't last long and get "beveled" very quickly when riding on frozen ground that is not covered with snow or ice. You will also lose screws occassionally. Tires will last only for 6 to 8 hard rides. Depending upon your season length, you may need to rescrew your tires if the knobs are not trashed. Cost for Kold Kutters is about $100 for a set of 2 tires.
Option #3:
Like HuskyDude shows, there are other creative options using hardware store screws. I've seen folks use carriage bolts, concrete screws, sheet metal screws, etc... pretty much anything that is metal. Concrete screws would be a better choice since the metal is stronger. These type of custom tires are typically done by inserting the screws from the inside of the tire (sharp point is outward). This differs from Option #2 since you are not running on the head of the screw but rather the point of the screw.
Like HuskyDude's pic, this type of tire is better for snowy trails. The longer screws would be better for deeper snow. The downside of this tire is that the longer screws will flex when riding on frozen ground or ice. Also, they can cause a bit of bodily harm trying to mount the tires. I did this once with mountain bike tires and it was not fun... I can't imagine dirt bike tires with a stiff bead. Also, you will need to put a tire liner between the screw heads and inner tube. A easy route is using Duct tape or cloth tape and wrap several layers to protect the inner tube. The cost is cheapest at about $30-$50 for a set of 2 tires. The durability is similar to Option #2.
Conclusion:
If you are just trying out some winter riding, then Option #2 or #3 will be fine to start enjoying this new riding experience. If you plan to do it every season, then Option #1 is a good investment and provides unreal traction. I love winter riding and look forward to the cold season now since I can ride year round.
Trelleborg carbide studs (or other brands with carbide studs) work good in a variety of conditions but best on snow covered trails. Snow limit is about 8" deep. Beyond that the rear wheel tend to spin too much plus the front wheel doesn't track well. These tires are pricey, but they last several seasons. Tires with custom installed carbide studs run about $200-250 each. Trelleborgs run about $300-350 each. You can also find used Trelleborgs with good life left for about half cost. When you consider the prices of ice screws (see option #2), carbide tires can be economical when you factor in multiple seasons.
Option #2:
Kold Kutter screws (i.e., specific ice screws) have a special cupped-shaped hex screw head. The cupped-shape has a very sharp cutting edge that bites into the ice. These screws are put into the knob from the outside and easy to do with the tires already mounted on your bike. Shorter screws such as 1/2" or 5/8" can be used without tire liners. If you use longer screws than the knob height, then you will need a tire liner. Tire liners help to anchor the screws to prevent losing them during rides.
Tires with Kold Kutters in each knob or multiple screws per knob work great on frozen lakes, very icy trail conditions, and hard packed snow. They can be used in loose snow conditions but the snow limit is about 4" deep. Kold Kutters don't last long and get "beveled" very quickly when riding on frozen ground that is not covered with snow or ice. You will also lose screws occassionally. Tires will last only for 6 to 8 hard rides. Depending upon your season length, you may need to rescrew your tires if the knobs are not trashed. Cost for Kold Kutters is about $100 for a set of 2 tires.
Option #3:
Like HuskyDude shows, there are other creative options using hardware store screws. I've seen folks use carriage bolts, concrete screws, sheet metal screws, etc... pretty much anything that is metal. Concrete screws would be a better choice since the metal is stronger. These type of custom tires are typically done by inserting the screws from the inside of the tire (sharp point is outward). This differs from Option #2 since you are not running on the head of the screw but rather the point of the screw.
Like HuskyDude's pic, this type of tire is better for snowy trails. The longer screws would be better for deeper snow. The downside of this tire is that the longer screws will flex when riding on frozen ground or ice. Also, they can cause a bit of bodily harm trying to mount the tires. I did this once with mountain bike tires and it was not fun... I can't imagine dirt bike tires with a stiff bead. Also, you will need to put a tire liner between the screw heads and inner tube. A easy route is using Duct tape or cloth tape and wrap several layers to protect the inner tube. The cost is cheapest at about $30-$50 for a set of 2 tires. The durability is similar to Option #2.
Conclusion:
If you are just trying out some winter riding, then Option #2 or #3 will be fine to start enjoying this new riding experience. If you plan to do it every season, then Option #1 is a good investment and provides unreal traction. I love winter riding and look forward to the cold season now since I can ride year round.
stevethebrit
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Yes, but very expensive and not really any good without proper permafrost. Not really a viable option for UK climate imo. Maybe worth trying Huskydudes solution. I've heard that cutting up an old inner tube and using it to line the inside of the tyre will prevent the flexing of the screw heads wearing a hole and giving you a flat.
HuskyDude
Super Moderator
MattR pretty well covered all options. And I agree with all. Lot of time putting screws into the tires I have. Although I never run more than just the normal inner tube. But if you're an aggressive rider, a lot of your screws get ripped out or bent quickly. I also find following other tracks on the trails in deep snow difficult. It's easier if you cut you own trail.
Here are some tires made up like MattR has suggested in option#2
They are used for Ice racing on a lake.
I have never tried Trelleborg carbide studs I never can afford them.
But by far they are the best out there.
Here are some tires made up like MattR has suggested in option#2
They are used for Ice racing on a lake.
I have never tried Trelleborg carbide studs I never can afford them.
But by far they are the best out there.
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Skidad
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Best-Grip studs which are made in Italy (WER Suspension sells em here in the US) are a screw in carbide tip stud. Very aggressive thread which looks like it would hold pretty darn good. Take em out when conditions don't warrant studs. Problem is they are expensive at $1.00 per stud here in the US. Maybe in Europe you can get them cheaper. All kinds of sizes available.
http://www.best-grip.com/eng/default.asp
http://www.best-grip.com/eng/default.asp
MattR
Super Moderator
Skidad,
I forgot to mention that option. Thanks for posting it up.
FYI... it will take about 250-300 studs to do a tire. At about $1 each, you will be at the price of regular carbide tires. The main benefit is the ability to add/remove studs as needed. Unless, the prices comes down to at least $0.50 each then it is just too cost prohibitive in my opinion.
I forgot to mention that option. Thanks for posting it up.
FYI... it will take about 250-300 studs to do a tire. At about $1 each, you will be at the price of regular carbide tires. The main benefit is the ability to add/remove studs as needed. Unless, the prices comes down to at least $0.50 each then it is just too cost prohibitive in my opinion.
HuskyDude
Super Moderator
Some of the riders that use these along with Trelleborg carbide studs also find using a little rubber cement on the tip of the screw before drilling them into your tire helps hold things in place.
Skidad
New member
I emailed Drew Smith At WER about the Best Grip studs to get some info.
He claims they work on par with the $$$ Trellies and wear great (carbide after all). He said pulling out is not an issue and you may lose 1-3 a season and are easily replaced. He recommends starting with 200 per tire and going from there. He has been using them since 2005 so plenty of experience.
If all that is pretty accurate then the price may not be that bad. Short term yeah it hurts but the fact you can remove them and put em in another fresh tire quite easily is a huge plus. You really have to look at it from a multi season approach to justify the money involved.
He claims they work on par with the $$$ Trellies and wear great (carbide after all). He said pulling out is not an issue and you may lose 1-3 a season and are easily replaced. He recommends starting with 200 per tire and going from there. He has been using them since 2005 so plenty of experience.
If all that is pretty accurate then the price may not be that bad. Short term yeah it hurts but the fact you can remove them and put em in another fresh tire quite easily is a huge plus. You really have to look at it from a multi season approach to justify the money involved.
stevethebrit
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You may have a very good point there. I've always dismissed best grip on price. You may save a few bucks compared to ready-made, but then you have to spend an hour or two screwing them in. Of course stud re-usability on different tyres, or being able to replace worn/broken ones would make a big difference in the value factor, my now discarded trelleborgs actually have more than 50% of the studs in good nick, the others have broken off (old tyres).
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