200 owners: Why so many variances?

So, another thing I forgot to look at was the ignitions. Mine exits at 2 o'clock (2K3) and my sons exit at 10 o'clock (2K2). Although this would seem to indicate that mine should have more low end, which it does (it won't stall, even at near zero rpms), it also explains why my sons revs much quicker off idle.

I think this is a big difference as I do notice that mine revs much slower than my sons.

Might have to switch them as well for another test:D anyone know if they can be swapped? '99/'03

More tinkering and more factors in differences in 200's
 
The ignition makes a huge difference. Generally even a 2K2 with a fly wheel weight will have less mass/inertia than a stock 2K3.
 
Did the '01 have more pull than the '11?

Yes it did, I've tried making the same modifications on my 11 as I did on the 01 but with no luck. The 11 just seems flat off the bottom where the 01 pulled from bottom to top and would climb anything. It also went through the rocks straight as an arrow.
 
The ignition makes a huge difference. Generally even a 2K2 with a fly wheel weight will have less mass/inertia than a stock 2K3.

I assume the 2K2 is what was on the 01's, I ran mine with an 8 0z flywheel weight.
 
So, another thing I forgot to look at was the ignitions. Mine exits at 2 o'clock (2K3) and my sons exit at 10 o'clock (2K2).

Ok, here's a dumb question :o Where should I look to know if our bikes have the 2K2 or 2K3 ignitions? When you say it exits at 2 o'clock...where's it exiting from :confused:

So many things I don't know...lol.
 
Take a look at the ignition cover on the right side of the bike. Where do the wires exit the cover?

PlusOnePerformance
 
If you look at the cover, pretend it is a clock, with 12 being at the top, 6 bottom and then break the rest in quarters. Then go from there!
Wire exit at 10pm, then you have a? Wires exit at 2pm then it is a?

Hope that helps.
 
On the left side of your bike is the flywheel cover. Inside is your stator and flywheel. There are wires existing that cover in one of those 2 positions which indicates what ignition you have. Should be a hard plastic cover. Its basically opposite of your clutch cover on the other side of the bike. My guess is you have a 2K2, but not sure with a six days.

I'm pretty sure this explains the major difference in my 2 200's.
 
On the left side of your bike is the flywheel cover. Inside is your stator and flywheel. There are wires existing that cover in one of those 2 positions which indicates what ignition you have.

LOL - I should have clarified with PlusOne - left side assuming you're sitting on the bike, or left side if you're looking at the bike? Since you mentioned the flywheel, I'm guessing it's the left as you sit on the bike - moved the flywheel to get the squish measurements for Ron.
 
Awesome Rick. Great to hear your impressions on the 200 and the different pipe options over the years. Interesting that you've modded your pipe for more performance as well. Steve Berkner also mentioned this and he added 10mm to the 200 pipe and found good bottom end results with that mod.

I also found this post you made a while back:





This got me to thinking a bit about my experience so far with the EC200. Before going to the 200's, I was riding 250's and 300's for about 3-4 years. That ability to lug and pull a gear or 2 high all day long was the norm. I could idle up hills and just roll on the throttle without any issues. I went to the KTM 200 about 2 years ago and loved the change. But, that bike had a Rekluse, so I was able to lug that bike without issue as the Rekluse would just keep grabbing and pulling for you. Now on this EC200 I think I have a tendency to want it to pull like those other bikes and it really isn't made for that. I have been telling myself to get it higher in the rpms and let it do its thing, but it is hard to make the transition some times. I absolutely love the light feel and know that the bike make life so much easier on long technical rides because you aren't fighting the bike and it wont wear you out. Heck, we have guys riding Husky 125's in the steepest stuff we have here in the PNW and they are able to tackle that terrain without issue as they are letting the bike sing.

I think I'll get better at it with time and will be trying a few other little tweaks: 12T sprocket, 40 pilot down from 42 and will give the older Gnarly pipe a try.


IMHO riding a 200 or 125 take a little different approach. Again, I have always like small bore bikes and find that there are advantages and disadvantages to the small cc'ed motors.

I can see where you've being on 250's & 300's and adapting to a 200 could bit of a challenge. You just don't have shear grunt that that the bigger bore bikes have, so you have to adjust mentally and with your right wrist to compensate = carring more speed, using the outside lines more so than inside lines, proper gear selection is one of the bigger challenges and not being affraid to lay down some wood. Dragging rear brake while keeping the rpm's up in turns, more aggressive riding stance, if that means more standing to use more body english along with riding on the balls of your feet in turn it all = being aggressive.

Suspension also play a huge role, your having to be more aggressive, so therefore your body input into the bike is more aggressive, your moving around more, sitting to standing and vise a versa. What worked for the slower speeds and less rider input might not work for more aggressive style. All of this comes into play when your trying getting the bike up on the pipe and banging through gears, you have more wheel spin on the 200, as to where the 250 and 300 used shear power to move the bike. You need to play with the oil heights, clickers, sag, static sag to find that point to where your more confident at hitting trail trash at high speeds... The 250's and 300's are much more forgiving and can be rode "lazy" yet to ride a smaller bore you can't be lazy. That means looking further down the trail, looking for smoother lines, predicting what to do and scanning ahead for options.

If you get a chance find a local offroad pro who offers classes and take a class, you'll be suprised how you can pick up some really great tips and drop some bad habits and lean new stuff. Even if you don't race, it will overall help your trail riding ability and confidence.

Thanks
 
When looking at the flywheel you'll notice the cover has a cut out and rubber insert in the other free spot too (thats to accomodate the other stator).

I think pretty much everything these days comes with the 2K3 from the factory.
 
Awesome advice Rick. Totally agree. All bikes have their advantages and disadvantages. Others have documented better lap times with their 200's throw the trails compared to the 250's and 300's.

I knew I wanted to go to a smaller cc bike while owning my DE300. I loved it, but found it, dare I say, boring. I wanted a quicker reving bike and something lighter. I love the grunt of the bigger bikes, but there is something about tossing around the smaller bike and pushing them hard rather than holding them back. I like pushing the smaller bike into the corners and carrying speed. I see many advantages in corner speed and letting momentum carry you in the flowing terrain. Throttle control and good clutch work along with good braking skills are more important with the 200, especially when the pace goes up and tough terrain dictates.

I know that with my EC200 and with my KTM200 I am much less tired on long tough rides compared to my EC250 and 300.

One thing I think the Gasgas 200 has a huge advantage in is in the handling department. With the bike built on the 250 chassis you get the stability of a bigger bike. Now, with my stabilizer, correct sag, and full Ohlins, I have confidence in tackling the tough stuff.

I am going to switch ignitions with my sons bike because I do wish to have mine quicker reving. I prefer a quick reving crisp motor. It just suits my riding.

Good stuff here. Lots to learn and take in!
 
The 2k2 works great on the 200. I don't think I would like the 2k3 it would feel very lazy. A small bore that doesn't build rpm fast is not much fun to ride.
 
So, good ride the other day in some nice steep country. Lots of technical climbs. The 200 performed awesome and got me to thinking that the 2K3 might not be so bad. Being able to lug down to nothing without stalling sure is nice and the added flywheel affect from the larger 2K3 probably saved me on a couple climbs for sure.

Gonna keep things as is for now and do the RB head mod this winter.

Great little bikes for sure and pretty versatile.
 
when you open it up for the head mod it would be interesting to know the port timing between your two bikes and the differences in squish.

Also have you checked the compression of your bikes?
 
when you open it up for the head mod it would be interesting to know the port timing between your two bikes and the differences in squish.

Also have you checked the compression of your bikes?


Having the same base gaskets, same squish might narrow down the difference. But not having the same pipes really changes everything.
 
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