2007 US Pricing?
- Thread starter ScottyR
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Theoretically, Gas Gas's high MSRP could work out to be a great negotiating tool for the multi-branded power sports dealer, since this type of dealer would be able to "sell" the benefits of a lesser priced Japanese two-stroke to a potential buyer. Thus, using the higher price of one to sell the lower price of the other.
On the other hand, single-brand distributers are gonna feel the pinch if they can't get a lower MSRP concession from the distributer.
Let the games begin!
TP
bobr
New member
i don't understand this. i stocked alot of parts and what i didn't have i could get in less than a week. i admit it was a difficult system to use, in regards to ordering, and it took alot of my time to keep up with it. especially when a "supported" rider would submit 2 page parts orders every other week. if Gas-Gas could "computerize" the system and make it work with a Windows based program like LightSpeed it would be a great improvement.
tm_enduro
New member
I think you summed it up right there. It was as easy as the other mfgs, and was a pain in the rear.
bike shed
I never heard of the bike shed til now. I looked it up, and the only one I could come up with was in Australia. If those are Australian dollars, we've got nothing to worry about. Aussie dollars are worth about 75% of U.S.
The price I was given was by a fairly large dealer and those were MSRP and he told me he'd sell for $300 less.
Maybe we'll all know tomorrow
I never heard of the bike shed til now. I looked it up, and the only one I could come up with was in Australia. If those are Australian dollars, we've got nothing to worry about. Aussie dollars are worth about 75% of U.S.
The price I was given was by a fairly large dealer and those were MSRP and he told me he'd sell for $300 less.
Maybe we'll all know tomorrow
MattR
Super Moderator
Mattmax,
The Bike Shed is located in Elba, Mn. They are a sponsor of this site with link on the front page. I bought my XC250 from Brian (the owner) a few years ago. He was a very nice guy to do business with. The MSRP's that he listed would be in US$. Hopefully, these will be lowered after the dealer meeting.
The Bike Shed is located in Elba, Mn. They are a sponsor of this site with link on the front page. I bought my XC250 from Brian (the owner) a few years ago. He was a very nice guy to do business with. The MSRP's that he listed would be in US$. Hopefully, these will be lowered after the dealer meeting.
Prices
I found their site after I posted that comment.
I know a dealer with a cheap 05 DE250 plus shipping, but I heard the 07 DE's will be legally dual sportable, which I find very hard to believe. That's the only reason I didn't snatch the 05. I know at one time the biggest dual sportable two stroke able to imported by federal law was 100cc, and I heard it was reduced to 50cc. The Euro EC's come with a cat converter, so maybe that's the difference.
I found their site after I posted that comment.
I know a dealer with a cheap 05 DE250 plus shipping, but I heard the 07 DE's will be legally dual sportable, which I find very hard to believe. That's the only reason I didn't snatch the 05. I know at one time the biggest dual sportable two stroke able to imported by federal law was 100cc, and I heard it was reduced to 50cc. The Euro EC's come with a cat converter, so maybe that's the difference.
bobr
New member
i spoke with a gentleman from the NSTB last year. they are responsible for the importation of vehicles to the US. up here in NH we started to see a problem with having the bikes street titled. he explained to me that the Gas-Gas's are imported with a non-compliant VIN. he said they are "correct" because the bikes are imported as off-road "race" vehicles and don't have to comply with DOT standards. he also explained that all the states that register vehicles are getting an updated system that "sniffs" out non-compliant VIN's.
he went on to explain that future imported bikes such as CR's, YZ's, KX's that have "recognized" VIN #'s will have to be DOT compliant or the VIN's will have to be like Gas-Gas's and non-compliant. he explained they are running out of #'s to use as compliant VIN's. Husky got a huge leap in getting thier 4-stroke bikes legal and with a title. i warned the "powers to be" about this and told them they should persue the title issue.
he went on to explain that future imported bikes such as CR's, YZ's, KX's that have "recognized" VIN #'s will have to be DOT compliant or the VIN's will have to be like Gas-Gas's and non-compliant. he explained they are running out of #'s to use as compliant VIN's. Husky got a huge leap in getting thier 4-stroke bikes legal and with a title. i warned the "powers to be" about this and told them they should persue the title issue.
What year did the bikes start getting imported with a non compliant vin?
I am going to try to get my '02 XCO250 Tagged
Thanks
Tim
bobr
New member
not sure. it was an 06 bike that raised the "flag" at the local DMV. the lady running the VIN at the title dept. called me to ask "What is this bike?" she told me it would be the last to get titled due to the non-compliant VIN. she explained they just got the new computer system that "sniffed" it out.
that's why i called the NSTB.
that's why i called the NSTB.
GMP
Active member
The VINs have always been non-compliant, its the DMV systems that may have changed. In NJ, they always threw up a flag. What this ment was they simply did not know what it was, not that it was bad or cannot be registered. What you could do here though, at least up to '03 when I registered my last one, was provide physical proof that the non-compliant VIN did indeed exist on the bike. A pencil tracing of the frame stamping or nice photo as I did was good enough. The DMV then titles and registers the bike as a "special". I have heard that this no longer works as the DMV database is much more inclusive and they know what every bike is now. I hope the '07s will not be a problem in NJ.
It sounds like the NTSB is driving to get the VIN number as a definitive way to prevent street licensing of non-DOT compliant motorcycles. I expect that many states will use the VIN number as a way to prevent license acquisition and renewal of non-DOT compliant street licensed motorcycles and as a way to prevent riding on National Forest Service land.
GasGas needs to seriously focus on selling DOT compliant motorcycles even if they are heavily choked up. Most of us can deal with choked up. With non-DOT compliant motorcycles it will become virtually impossible to street license them and/or ride on US National Forest Service roads/trails. I expect that in the future state land regulations will follow the National Forest Service direction.
GasGas needs to seriously focus on selling DOT compliant motorcycles even if they are heavily choked up. Most of us can deal with choked up. With non-DOT compliant motorcycles it will become virtually impossible to street license them and/or ride on US National Forest Service roads/trails. I expect that in the future state land regulations will follow the National Forest Service direction.
Ontario, Canada has updated their computer systems as well, making it tougher to register a GG for street use with a non-compliant VIN. It is still doable, but definitely more work than it was before.
Apparently, BMG is bringing the 07s into the US with the compliant VINs.
Lets not kid ourselves, the days of street plating 2 stroke or any off road bikes are coming to an end very soon, no matter where you are from.
Apparently, BMG is bringing the 07s into the US with the compliant VINs.
Lets not kid ourselves, the days of street plating 2 stroke or any off road bikes are coming to an end very soon, no matter where you are from.
JoshP
New member
A couple months ago I was able to get my 97 EC250 thru the NJDMV. It was titled and registered prior to me buying it and they were giving me all sorts of excuses why I could not register it. I basically had to bullsh$t the DMV lady and told her that the bike has blinkers, a horn, mirrors (right!!!!!!) and is a street legal bike. It wasn't easy but worked in the end.
bobr
New member
the person at NSTB made it clear that the bikes should not be titled by any state as the VIN's are not compliant with being road legal as required by the DOT. he made it clear that if any state is found to be issuing titles to bikes that are non-compliant heavy fines could be brought against the states that are doing it. as i mentioned. they are running out of numbers to use as compliant VIN's. this is what's drawing the attention to the non-compliant VIN's.
i've mentioned this problem to NETRA. they need to make enduros closed course or they won't have any "customers." the only racing that will happen in the future will be hare scrambles. i don't see the OEM's putting alot of effort into making bikes DOT legal. Husky got the jump on everyone with thier titled 4-strokes.
MattR
Super Moderator
My 2001 bike has a VIN with all numbers in the appropriate locations. I think it is 9 or 10 digit (something like that) which identifies the bike year. The non-conforming VIN's have a letter instead. When I registered my bike, no questions were asked regarding the VIN. It came up as a 2001 GasGas XC250.
Check your VIN to see if letters are only in the beginning followed by all numbers (such as VTXC2500212345). If this is the case, you should probably be ok. I'm guessing the newer bikes got the non-conforming VIN (such as VTXC2500C12345).
