2013 question...

[rbm33]

maybe it has been talked about already but i was wondering what the 2013 bikes will have for forks. it seems the Euro specs call for 45mm forks. this is the most complete list i have seen do far on the changes, stolen from thumper talk,....... i was under the impression that everyone was really happy with the 2012 fork setup so if they are changing back to the 45mm wonder what the reasoning is behind the change.

1. 6 degree increase in the turning angle.
2. Change in geometry of the rear suspension (New links) that provides greater grip, stability and better general performance. Also lower seat height.
3. Changed side of the steering lock
4. Suspension fine-tuned by HRG (Suspension specialists).
5. New filter access system (one bolt only).
6. Reinforced plastic cross-member
7. New top roller guide for the chain with built-in bearing (this will come in as a running change once we have used up the existing gusset plates, around 2000).
8. New brace for the front mudguard (the latest 2012 models were already fitted with them).
9. Reinforcement on side plates of the radiator. A bolt fixture is also to be incorporated.
10. Fixture of the side number panels with bolts to stop them from moving.
11. New, more modern valve cover.
12. New reinforced kick-start lever (the latest 2012 models were already fitted with them).
13. New bell housing, with oil release holes (for cooling) but more reliable.
14. New tank for better fit of the plastic
15. New attachment for the brake line guide so that it does not touch the fork mudguard.
16. New brake line with riveted cover to prevent the front wheel from pulling it in (the latest 2012 models were already fitted with them)
17. New side guards. (Frame guards).[/font]

 

[twowheels]

US bound 2013 Gassers will feature the 48mm closed chamber Marzocchis.

 

[Diggs345]

US bound 2013 Gassers will feature the 48mm closed chamber Marzocchis.

And the uk race models , the 45 mm marz are to replace the 48mm sachs fork

 

[v-tec]

And the uk race models , the 45 mm marz are to replace the 48mm sachs fork

Buying a new 300 here in the uk not the R
Are the 45 marz a bad fork, or do i buy a 2012 with sachs forks

Thats maybe how he steering angle has increased by 6 degrees, smaller forks,

Now im un-sure, the only thing i am sure of is what ever i get 12 or 13 the forks will have to be Tuned for my 70 kg body,

 

[twowheels]

Buying a new 300 here in the uk not the R
Are the 45 marz a bad fork, or do i buy a 2012 with sachs forks

Thats maybe how he steering angle has increased by 6 degrees, smaller forks,

Now im un-sure, the only thing i am sure of is what ever i get 12 or 13 the forks will have to be Tuned for my 70 kg body,

The best thing about the 45mm Marzocchis is that lots of tuners can help you make them work for you. The 48mm Zokes are better to the degree you can hardly believe they're from the same company. My opinion is that the Sachs have the potential to be a better fork, but fewer tuners will entertain the prospect of working on them.

As for the increased turning clearance, it has been suggested a slight modification to the upper spars is responsible for the gains. We shall see ...

 

[Die Tante T.]

I was a big fan of Mazocchi forks till I rode the 48er Shiver CC in the 2011 Nambotin. I never had a fork which works so bad like the 48er Shiver. I rode the 45er Marzocchi in my Husky?s 2004 an 2005 model and they worked well. Also the KYB in the 2010er Husky was o.k. ! I was very suprised about the bad performance of the 48 Shiver and didn?t managed to find a setup for me. Now I changed to the ?hlins Fork..and I never had ride such a good fork out of the box...nothing to do for a better setup only a few clicks for different tracks.

 

[Vindicator]

Did the tank size decreased back to 9,5L ?

 

[3beejay3]

I was a big fan of Mazocchi forks till I rode the 48er Shiver CC in the 2011 Nambotin. I never had a fork which works so bad like the 48er Shiver. I rode the 45er Marzocchi in my Husky?s 2004 an 2005 model and they worked well. Also the KYB in the 2010er Husky was o.k. ! I was very suprised about the bad performance of the 48 Shiver and didn?t managed to find a setup for me. Now I changed to the ?hlins Fork..and I never had ride such a good fork out of the box...nothing to do for a better setup only a few clicks for different tracks.

Not sure how you had a bad experience with the 48 cc's (w/PFP adjustment), as everyone else raves about them............
Also the 45 Marzocchis used on the Huskies in the 04-07 years were generally regarded as a poor fork; bad valving, poor action etc., etc. They used mediocre technology from the early 90's & didn't apply it well at all.

 

[Clay]

I was a big fan of Mazocchi forks till I rode the 48er Shiver CC in the 2011 Nambotin. I never had a fork which works so bad like the 48er Shiver. I rode the 45er Marzocchi in my Husky?s 2004 an 2005 model and they worked well. Also the KYB in the 2010er Husky was o.k. ! I was very suprised about the bad performance of the 48 Shiver and didn?t managed to find a setup for me. Now I changed to the ?hlins Fork..and I never had ride such a good fork out of the box...nothing to do for a better setup only a few clicks for different tracks.

That's funny. My experience was totally opposite. I don't like the Ohlins because they blew through the stroke too easily (that was on the 2010 model). The 48mm Marzocchis are awesome but they must be sprung for the riders weight and ability. It also takes more break in time due to tight seals.

 

[thumperrider1]

I was a big fan of Mazocchi forks till I rode the 48er Shiver CC in the 2011 Nambotin. I never had a fork which works so bad like the 48er Shiver. I rode the 45er Marzocchi in my Husky?s 2004 an 2005 model and they worked well. Also the KYB in the 2010er Husky was o.k. ! I was very suprised about the bad performance of the 48 Shiver and didn?t managed to find a setup for me. Now I changed to the ?hlins Fork..and I never had ride such a good fork out of the box...nothing to do for a better setup only a few clicks for different tracks.

maybe there was an issue with the setup on those. The new 48mm Zokes are some of the best forks I've ever had. I didn't even have to touch the valving or anything. Just removed 15-20 CC from the outer chamber.

 

[GMP]

I was a big fan of Mazocchi forks till I rode the 48er Shiver CC in the 2011 Nambotin. I never had a fork which works so bad like the 48er Shiver. I rode the 45er Marzocchi in my Husky?s 2004 an 2005 model and they worked well. Also the KYB in the 2010er Husky was o.k. ! I was very suprised about the bad performance of the 48 Shiver and didn?t managed to find a setup for me. Now I changed to the ?hlins Fork..and I never had ride such a good fork out of the box...nothing to do for a better setup only a few clicks for different tracks.

Really? I think if you like a real plush fork, you might feel this way comparing the stock 48mm Zoke. The 48s have a much better range of performance and can take a big hit well while still being decent on the small stuff. The simple OC 45mm Zoke cannot match this, its one or the other. Did you do any work to the 48s? They are a lot like a KYB with a HUGE 36mm comp piston, and adjustable ICS preload, nothing else is magic. Also, after a few hours the seals are not tight. On the bench apart mine felt like any other fork. The other thing, judging by mine anyway, is that the factory fill cannot be trusted. Mine were WAY off and I was not getting full cartridge travel. I expect major improvements from minor changes and proper fill/purge, but they were not bad anyway.

 

[jpelaston]

What would the proper fill levels be? I would love to have an actual service manual or even a service bulletin put out. I imagine that I can get help from a lot of you on here, but often I am working on stuff later in the evenings

 

[Vindicator]

What would the proper fill levels be? I would love to have an actual service manual or even a service bulletin put out. I imagine that I can get help from a lot of you on here, but often I am working on stuff later in the evenings

Check out http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11075, it's a quite comprehensive topic on the 48 USD Zokes

 

[GMP]

My garage light is always on late too. See the long thread about the 48mm Zokes in the suspension forum.

 

[jpelaston]

thanks fellas!

 

[twowheels]

What would the proper fill levels be? I would love to have an actual service manual or even a service bulletin put out. I imagine that I can get help from a lot of you on here, but often I am working on stuff later in the evenings

210cc/130mm in the compression chamber, roughly 310cc in the outer leg.

 

[jpelaston]

210cc/130mm in the compression chamber, roughly 310cc in the outer leg.

Thanks Steve.

Also, without going too off topic as I have already, for any help with GG I recommend calling Steve at PlusOnePerformance. I had the pleasure of dealing with TwoWheels aka, Steve and came away very impressed.

 

[Moto7man]

The simple OC 45mm Zoke cannot match this, its one or the other.

Just my 2 cents but I don't agree with this statement. In stock form the OC 45MMs are harsh in the midstroke. Drew Smith from WER revalved my 45MMs from my 2011 EC 300 without a spring change and they ARE AWESOME! They are super plush but very progressive. They are plush on trail hack and don't bottom on big rolling sand whoops.

Before I bought my 2011, I reviewed the threads which complained about the OC 45MM. I almost didn't buy the Gasser b/c of the comments in some of the threads about these forks. When properly set up the OC 45MMs are excellent forks.

 

[twowheels]

Just my 2 cents but I don't agree with this statement. In stock form the OC 45MMs are harsh in the midstroke. Drew Smith from WER revalved my 45MMs from my 2011 EC 300 without a spring change and they ARE AWESOME! They are super plush but very progressive. They are plush on trail hack and don't bottom on big rolling sand whoops.

Before I bought my 2011, I reviewed the threads which complained about the OC 45MM. I almost didn't buy the Gasser b/c of the comments in some of the threads about these forks. When properly set up the OC 45MMs are excellent forks.

If you thought the 45s were good, just wait until you ride the 48s!

 

[Clay]

Really? I think if you like a real plush fork, you might feel this way comparing the stock 48mm Zoke. The 48s have a much better range of performance and can take a big hit well while still being decent on the small stuff. The simple OC 45mm Zoke cannot match this, its one or the other. Did you do any work to the 48s? They are a lot like a KYB with a HUGE 36mm comp piston, and adjustable ICS preload, nothing else is magic. Also, after a few hours the seals are not tight. On the bench apart mine felt like any other fork. The other thing, judging by mine anyway, is that the factory fill cannot be trusted. Mine were WAY off and I was not getting full cartridge travel. I expect major improvements from minor changes and proper fill/purge, but they were not bad anyway.

When I was in Spain they told me they had a new quality control program with Marzocchi to help with these issues.