2019 Gas Gas updates
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CDN Rick
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O I'm all kinds of daring!!
One time I even rode a dirtbike!!!
Honestly though GG needs to keep updating to attract repeat new buyers. They know that just like everyone else does. And like it or not the hottest item on most riders lists right now is a counter balancer. Then FI. Unless they got some other cool trick up their sleeve that we don't know about.
SS109
Active member
Just from this dirt bikers perspective, counter balancers mean nothing to me. I've ridden forever without them and don't see the need.
FI would be nice but currently it's not all that it's cracked up to be on a 2T. Watched my buddy this past weekend with his new KTM 250 with the FI having a hard time getting it started after it had already been run. He looked rather perplexed over it and we gave him a bit of ribbing over it. My old carb bikes normally start 2nd kick cold and 1st time rest of the day. Also don't like on the KTM version that if you drop the bike you have to actually stop and inspect that there are no air bubbles in the 2T oil feed line or you could hurt the engine. That really sounds like a PITA to have to do during a race. Hopefully it gets better.
The only things I think need improving is to keep trying to reduce weight, as long as it doesn't sacrifice reliability, ditch the stinking auto-retracting function of the kickstand for the US market, and fix the weak clutch cover and/or redesign the rear brake lever so we don't see the failure of the cover any more. Of course, this is all assuming they have already done all the ECU, starter wire, and battery upgrades.
FI would be nice but currently it's not all that it's cracked up to be on a 2T. Watched my buddy this past weekend with his new KTM 250 with the FI having a hard time getting it started after it had already been run. He looked rather perplexed over it and we gave him a bit of ribbing over it. My old carb bikes normally start 2nd kick cold and 1st time rest of the day. Also don't like on the KTM version that if you drop the bike you have to actually stop and inspect that there are no air bubbles in the 2T oil feed line or you could hurt the engine. That really sounds like a PITA to have to do during a race. Hopefully it gets better.
The only things I think need improving is to keep trying to reduce weight, as long as it doesn't sacrifice reliability, ditch the stinking auto-retracting function of the kickstand for the US market, and fix the weak clutch cover and/or redesign the rear brake lever so we don't see the failure of the cover any more. Of course, this is all assuming they have already done all the ECU, starter wire, and battery upgrades.
There is a lot of testimonial in this thread for the intrepid Spanish Marketing team to further investigate.
?Simple? fixes to simple problems. Less weight but don?t sacrifice durability. A few minor tweaks here and there.
As for FI, all of my riding friends have FI 4T KTM, Betas, etc. But even a few of them have a ?Baja Bike.? A six to ten year-old carbed 4-stroke that has less things to fail in a week of remote riding in Baja Mexico.
They *do* appreciate EFI in Colorado elevations, though.
?Simple? fixes to simple problems. Less weight but don?t sacrifice durability. A few minor tweaks here and there.
As for FI, all of my riding friends have FI 4T KTM, Betas, etc. But even a few of them have a ?Baja Bike.? A six to ten year-old carbed 4-stroke that has less things to fail in a week of remote riding in Baja Mexico.
They *do* appreciate EFI in Colorado elevations, though.
Cactus_Flat
New member
Maybe a bit less weight and redesigned e start like the other brands. If the current e start proves to be pretty reliable long term, that's less of a concern.
Counterbalancers and EFI 2Ts are far from necessary, certainly nice, but I'd love a cheaper lighter bike without those things, personally.
I like that the "boutique" brands offer something different than KTM in a competitive package. People will ask gasgas and sherco and beta to have all things that KTM has and then scoff when the price goes up. I appreciate the differentiation and hope that there are enough similarly minded riders to keep us from having 4 brands making the same bike with different plastics.
Counterbalancers and EFI 2Ts are far from necessary, certainly nice, but I'd love a cheaper lighter bike without those things, personally.
I like that the "boutique" brands offer something different than KTM in a competitive package. People will ask gasgas and sherco and beta to have all things that KTM has and then scoff when the price goes up. I appreciate the differentiation and hope that there are enough similarly minded riders to keep us from having 4 brands making the same bike with different plastics.
CDN Rick
Silver Level Site Supporter
concerning the E-starts on the '18's... I have a measly 350km on mine. But it has not missed a beat even once yet. (other than a time that a connection I had not put back together properly came apart. But that's my fault.)
I'll keep posting back if it develops any issues. But right now its a half second press of the button and it's running every time.
chunkysoup
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why the hate on the kick stand on the 18's??? Im starting to think Im the only person who likes the auto retracting function of it haha
fred99999au
Member
My e-start is rubbish cold and mediocre at best when warm. 2018 GP300 but only has a couple of hundred kilometres on it.
May be better when it loosens up a little.
May be better when it loosens up a little.
Enduroger
New member
I don't have any problem with it either. I think its good actually. Have seen some people on other bikes driving away with the kickstand down.
Have you got the cable and battery upgrade?
memphis2857
New member
Get with your dealer and get the larger battery cables. It will work fine after that.
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memphis2857
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The auto-retract kick stand won’t be going away any time soon. It is actually some kind of retarded euro regulation. It is fixed easily with a few cheap KTM parts
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fred99999au
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I have run a new earth to the bolt that holds the starter on but that made no difference. Battery is still the stock Lithuim unit. Should I be running larger +ve cables to the start relay and motor?
No idea if the ECU has been remapped though. How would I tell?
This bike was the first GP300 that the dealer had pre-delivered and they were unsure of the jetting and didnt fit the 48 tooth sprocket and new chain.
memphis2857
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They sent me a new much larger positive battery cable to go from the battery to the relay and it instantly solved any starting issues I had. It probably hasn’t been remapped if it is more than 2 months old
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fred99999au
Member
Ok, will have a look today when I put the P-Tech pipe guard on.
Where is the start relay located?
Where is the start relay located?
fred99999au
Member
Found the start relay, and the wire gauge is a bit light. Made a new one out of 8 gauge battery wire and it seems better.
SS109
Active member
Fixed my old one with part of an old chain master link. It was free!
As to why I don't like the auto-retract function is that if you are working on the bike and unload it for just a moment the bike can tumble over. Also seen it happen when a buddy walking by my bike and bumped it. Yeah, don't like it.
Motocrotts
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I like mine too.
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