Bike registration issues - paging the GG importer
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twowheels
New member
Bailey, its time to call your representative, because what you've described is typical DMV BS!
The MSO doesn't list a CC, but it has the horsepower and a model number that implicitly states the size of the engine. However, don't recall ever seeing an MSO or title with displacement. That includes GasGas' from the previous importer, and a handful of titles I have in my filing cabinet.
You can reach Clay at 404-223-4646 or by emailing him at clay@ggor.us. How you plan on reaching your state representative is up to you.
The MSO doesn't list a CC, but it has the horsepower and a model number that implicitly states the size of the engine. However, don't recall ever seeing an MSO or title with displacement. That includes GasGas' from the previous importer, and a handful of titles I have in my filing cabinet.
You can reach Clay at 404-223-4646 or by emailing him at clay@ggor.us. How you plan on reaching your state representative is up to you.
GMP
Active member
This is just typical DMV BS that is getting worse all the time. MSOs have been the same for years like twowheels states. Considering the way things are going in this country (downhill), it would not surprise me if it all heads in the direction of NJ where a registration is impossible unless the bike is on the list of those homolagated for street use.
Its not Clay's fault. You guys buyng race bikes, any race bikes, should do your homework first on what is required in your state if a legit plate is needed.
Just be happy you can ride without looking over your shoulder for the man.
Its not Clay's fault. You guys buyng race bikes, any race bikes, should do your homework first on what is required in your state if a legit plate is needed.
Just be happy you can ride without looking over your shoulder for the man.
Bryan
Gold Level Site Supporter
Slightly off topic, but here in washington, many are seriously considering riding in closed areas as there is no enforcement.
It is getting crazy, last year the legislature took all of the ORV tag money from Dept. of Natural Resources and gave it to the state parks (~$10M worth). Only problem, there is only one state park in washington that allows ORV's.
Back on topic, here they have targeted and taken all license plates from most KTM's. I think it is a matter of time before they target us to.
GMP
Active member
We have been plagued with liberals and their policies running this state for awhile. They have no use for us or our sport, it does not fit the agenda. Proposed off road parks shot down, ATV registration funds diverted. We have NO legal place to ride. Races are by special permit on state land, and over the years the over breeding of lawyers has scared a lot of private land away.
If the current administration had their way, you'd be lucky to ride your electric scooter to your job in an LED light bulb factory.
Eventually you will be outlaws like me, or just give it up, which is what they want.
If the current administration had their way, you'd be lucky to ride your electric scooter to your job in an LED light bulb factory.
Eventually you will be outlaws like me, or just give it up, which is what they want.
mcnut
New member
the nice lady said the GG is not on the "list". BTW, she said that because of my request, they are adding GG to the list. So I hopefully am paving the way for more in Florida at least to get their GG on the road. They still don't have a clue as to what an EC300 is....
The technical term they used at the DMV was "adding the line". What that means is the dealer who gets the bikes is supposed to call the head DMV and add the line (GG) to the list so we can register our bikes.
Two things they were picky about, the CC and the odometer verification on the back of the MCO.
I was the first to register an '11 GG in IN. They had to add XC250 to their data base but had Gas Gas in there already. I also hit a snag on the odometer statement but got through it by signing that the odo was not "actual mileage".
Clay addressed this somewhat in another thread (I think it was the 'new suggestions' one). In order to get the Fed Emisisons Compliance sticker GG has to do a huge amount of testing and a 2t won't pass, therefore they can bypass this by listing it as 'off road' only. As owners we have to deal with this status locally and maybe get around it; that's why the tailight stuff gets shipped in the box but not installed like in other countries. Here in CA you've got no real chance of ever getting one of these regg'd (I tried); they're not on the list which requires a CHP or DMV verification: if it doesn't have an odo that's a red flag; a missing, unreadable or 'off road only' emissions sticker will make it impossible to reg for the street.
Sucks but that's the way it is.....
If riding is outlawed only outlaws will ride.
Hopefully you can get this sorted in FL.
Sucks but that's the way it is.....
If riding is outlawed only outlaws will ride.
Hopefully you can get this sorted in FL.
Qui-gon
New member
I agree with the other posters it is DMV BS. My 06 is registered in Florida so GG must be in their database. A previous GG im porter was also based in Fl so they must have been this route before. When I did my reg the only thing that was questioned was the non standard vin number. The whole process took 20 mins total. Be aware though if the MCO states off highway vehicle you wont get a plate.
Clay
Banned
I want to be really clear here guys. This may lose us some customers but the other option could put us out of business: IN NO WAY DOES GAS GAS OFF ROAD TRY TO REPRESENT OUR MOTORCYCLES AS BEING STREET LEGAL!!!!!!!! Our bikes will not meet EPA requirements to be street legal. We can only bring them in under an off road competition exemption. If we try to help a customer circumvent the legal process and get an off road motorcycle licensed for the street, we are breaking the law, we will lose our exemption and be out of business. Bailey asked me for some help and I thought he meant to get the bike titled. Then I read the email again and realized he wanted us to help him get the bike tagged. We can not do that! our bikes are competition motorcycles, not street bikes. I know that some of you have found ways to get this done on your states. That is between you and the DMV in your state. Some states, like Florida, have figured out these loopholes and have plugged them.
Sorry if this bluntness offends anyone but that is the way it has to be for us to maintain our EPA exemption.
Clay
Sorry if this bluntness offends anyone but that is the way it has to be for us to maintain our EPA exemption.
Clay
REVERUP
Gold Level Site Supporter
I'm guessing it will be next to impossible to be able to street license any 2 stroke in the near future, unless they become EPA legal.
More states than people realize are going to a new vin identification system that automatically flags a bike if it isn't factory street legal.
In Washington state, owners of bikes that were previously issued plates have been getting notices for some time now that their previously plated bike does not comply, and that no tag will be re issued.
Hasn't stoped me from connecting trail as of yet. But it sucks to have to break the law to have some good dirty fun.
Roscoe
More states than people realize are going to a new vin identification system that automatically flags a bike if it isn't factory street legal.
In Washington state, owners of bikes that were previously issued plates have been getting notices for some time now that their previously plated bike does not comply, and that no tag will be re issued.
Hasn't stoped me from connecting trail as of yet. But it sucks to have to break the law to have some good dirty fun.
Roscoe
Outlaws
Me and a buddy were riding someplace we should not have been- very slow, almost idling- and it was just to get somewhere else, and a lady on a horse threw a fit. Even though I got off my bike, killed the engine and pushed it up a hill...... god, am I out of shape! Anyway- I looked at her and said "Maam, if we can't ride ANYWHERE, we might as well ride EVERYWHERE!'
Me and a buddy were riding someplace we should not have been- very slow, almost idling- and it was just to get somewhere else, and a lady on a horse threw a fit. Even though I got off my bike, killed the engine and pushed it up a hill...... god, am I out of shape! Anyway- I looked at her and said "Maam, if we can't ride ANYWHERE, we might as well ride EVERYWHERE!'
Iam with you GMP NJ is killer...I think if the MSO had CC's which I believe I've seen before I think they would find something else.
One thing I hate and by posting it it could mess it up for them is Husqvarna right now some how even in NJ they have legal and taggable two-strokes...
I think if you have a shot you could apply for a home build motorcycle. You could do that in NJ at one time. You should read about it first but add blinkers and such and claim it as a modified bike.
One thing I hate and by posting it it could mess it up for them is Husqvarna right now some how even in NJ they have legal and taggable two-strokes...
I think if you have a shot you could apply for a home build motorcycle. You could do that in NJ at one time. You should read about it first but add blinkers and such and claim it as a modified bike.
GMP
Active member
A mistake on the list in Husky's favor no doubt, where the WRs were included. This list decides whether or not you get a tag, not the MSO. From what I heard that's what is in store for the rest of you eventually if they get their way.
The home built is an interesting idea and worth doing some research. Even in CA you could at one time get an EPA exemption for a home built.
The home built is an interesting idea and worth doing some research. Even in CA you could at one time get an EPA exemption for a home built.
ggalex
New member
home-builts
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NY, The OHV-Hater-State, once upon a time had a home-built process through DMV which folks used to get converted dirtbikes through the reggy process. That was quietly killed in the late 90s, which included homebuilt cars too. (How Orange Co. Choppers can title their illegal claptraps is beyond me.) I dare say no more than that for now, but there are methods. NY is so very screwed-up and oversized in its burocracy that we have partially excaped The Inquisition ...for the time being.
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