Is the 2013 EC 300 too heavy?

[john r b]

TM USA have taken delivery of the 2019 2-t?s..

Yes, i understand. But the US models came with carb's

 

[Cox76y]

Forget about the stated weight and go by what it feels like when your riding it. That is what I go by and I have never had a gasgas that felt heavy to ride..

 

[ssaulnier]

The weight of the 2007 and 2018 EC300s is not a negative to me on single track and fire roads as compared to the 2008 ktm 200xc I just sold. That was the lightest year ktm 200 ever at about 208 lbs (from memory).

While riding I never noticed the extra weight of either EC300 except that I prefer the EC300s since they feel more planted to me and that makes me feel more confident.

The lighter weight 2008 ktm 200xc was a great bike but the light weight also makes it dance around more on the trail than the Gassers.

 

[Chaz955i]

You're the one calling dealers and asking salesman. I'm the one who put both bikes on a scale... I'll admit I had been using some chlorinated brake cleaner that day but I sure wasn't high..

Also please don't go starting false rumours on here about the new GasGas frame and swingarm. While I have my own assumptions as to the origin of their manufacture I can assure you they are NOT '15 KTM parts. Again I know this because I got out a set of callipers and took some measurements..
This isn't my first time around dirtbikes. I trust you've had GG bikes far back. But the stuff you're spouting is the same line I've heard from every KTM dealer I've visited this year. And I've checked the facts with my own two eyes. You're incorrect my friend.

If you are referring to the Jotagas enduro prototype, you are on-point.

 

[fletchman45]

If you are referring to the Jotagas enduro prototype, you are on-point.

i won't play childish games I respect gas gas ..the frame is similar to a 15 ktm.... yes a 13 is heavy by today's standards...however worse I would say is the steering lock or lack of....on that chassis..i would prefer and 11 nambo...with the 48 mm zokes...my two cents...im always available in Huntersville or Akeley mn. Weather permitting..for further discussion face to face..

 

[RBrider]

Like (almost)everyone else, I'm interested in the weight of my bikes, but was always too lazy to check it out for myself. So recently, I took my wife's new hi tech bathroom scales out to weigh the two bikes I have on hand.

The first was my clean (no dirt or mud) '01 GG XC 200 with a full tank of fuel, ready to ride. Only extra's are bark busters & rear disc guard. Combined weight was 253 lbs. (It still has stock oem headlight & tail/brakelight combo)

Next was my '17 Husky FE 250 4 T, street legal, full of fuel, only extra's are Cycra wrap around hand guards. It weighed 264 lbs.

Both bikes hold about 2.5 gal of fuel.

Honestly, I thought both bikes would come in under 250 lbs. They both feel light out on the trail.

I'll bet a lot of guys would be surprised by the actual, ready to ride weight of their bikes, regardless of brand.

RB

 

[CDN Rick]

Like (almost)everyone else, I'm interested in the weight of my bikes, but was always too lazy to check it out for myself. So recently, I took my wife's new hi tech bathroom scales out to weigh the two bikes I have on hand.

The first was my clean (no dirt or mud) '01 GG XC 200 with a full tank of fuel, ready to ride. Only extra's are bark busters & rear disc guard. Combined weight was 253 lbs. (It still has stock oem headlight & tail/brakelight combo)

Next was my '17 Husky FE 250 4 T, street legal, full of fuel, only extra's are Cycra wrap around hand guards. It weighed 264 lbs.

Both bikes hold about 2.5 gal of fuel.

Honestly, I thought both bikes would come in under 250 lbs. They both feel light out on the trail.

I'll bet a lot of guys would be surprised by the actual, ready to ride weight of their bikes, regardless of brand.

RB

Bingo. I'd do more than bet a lot of guys would be surprised. I'd guarantee it.
I've found a good rule of thumb is to add 20-25lbs to advertised weight for enduro bikes and 15-20lbs for MX bikes.

 

[Chaz955i]

Sounds like someone has a case of ex-lax...lol...i won't play childish games I respect gas gas ..and have owned probably many more bikes then you will in your lifetime...i respect different opinions etc...no Tin hat I assure you ...read what I said ..immature adult..the frame is similar to a 15 ktm...etc...why refer to cafe husky that way?? Wow..both these websites are helpful and a great tool..and yes cafe husky has a section just for non husky bikes..that has some good praise for gas gas... yes a 13 is heavy by today's standards...however worse I would say is the steering lock or lack of....on that chassis..i would prefer and 11 nambo...with the 48 mm zokes...my two cents...im always available in Huntersville or Akeley mn. Weather permitting..for further discussion face to face..

Almost...nothing...funnier...than...someone...equating...the...number...of...bikes...they...have...owned...with...credibility. Nobody...cares. Even...funnier...is...throwing...out...your...address...and...challenging...someone...to...meet...you...face...to...face...when...you...know...there...is...no...chance...of...that...happening.

 

[fletchman45]

Not true my friend...if you ever get to mn..easy to look me up and there have been national enduro s at both places..so and awesome place to ride . I'm not the individual that called cafe husky a circle jerk...im done playing...yes the 2018 frame is very similar to a 15 ktm..frame..fact..yes a 2013 gas gas was heavy even in 13...have a great day.

 

[CDN Rick]

Not true my friend...if you ever get to mn..easy to look me up and there have been national enduro s at both places..so and awesome place to ride . I'm not the individual that called cafe husky a circle jerk...im done playing...yes the 2018 frame is very similar to a 15 ktm..frame..fact..yes a 2013 gas gas was heavy even in 13...have a great day.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out....

 

[Jakobi]

I've removed the name calling, and left what little of the previous couple threads had some value. No issues with us having differing opinions, but no need to resort to name calling. We're all adults here, and I think this is the first moderating I've had to do in the whole time I've spent moderating. I'm disappointed!

Speaking of opinions. I had a 2011 which was Nambo specced by the time I finished tinkering with it. I then purchased a 2013 model. The 13 definitely had a different feel, and the steering not as sharp. It felt bit heavier to lift.. but given the choice to roll either out to the trails I found myself continuing to take the 2013 racing. Ergos felt better to me, and it had much more stability at speed.

I wouldn't take another set of Marzocchi forks if you paid me to do it. Build quality is not there. Performance is good while it lasts. Ohlins TTX is nice, but the KYB gear is on par at a fraction of the price.

I second the comments regarding actual weight. I think many under estimate the trail ready weight of their bikes, and also of themselves.

 

[3beejay3]

The 12's and '13's are heavy. My '12 probably weighs about 260-270 ready to ride*.
However, it is a real war horse and keeps going pretty much no matter what. Over 380 hrs on it and only one top end and a couple suspension refreshes. (not counting a broken PFP a while back........)
I do the least amount of maintenance on this bike of any that I've ever owned.

* IMO 'ready to ride' is skid plate, rad guards/braces, proper full-wrap hand guards, full tank of fuel (stock tank) Trans full of oil, suspension ready to go, etc.
KTM advertised weights are dry weights (no oils, fuel, bearing grease etc.) and are to be ignored and they are only fantasy.
A modern KTM/Husky 250 2t 'ready to ride' is going to tip the scales at 235- 245 or so. Not as light as many think they are.

 

[Jakobi]

A modern KTM/Husky 250 2t 'ready to ride' is going to tip the scales at 235- 245 or so. Not as light as many think they are.

The horse has been beat to death. It's easy to make weight savings, especially on paper! In practice you just use less materials, or more expensive lighter materials. Both tend to come at a cost.

Even on my 18 vs my 13 model I see areas they have saved weight. The clutch cover I feel like I could kick a hole in. The head has little substance to it (does it impact cooling ability, I'm not sure). The thickness of the tank is substantially reduced.

Will these impact it's lifespan? Maybe.. One thing you see with GG is that there are still a lot of people getting around on bikes over 10 years old. Some getting closer to 20.

 

[CDN Rick]

The horse has been beat to death. It's easy to make weight savings, especially on paper! In practice you just use less materials, or more expensive lighter materials. Both tend to come at a cost.

Even on my 18 vs my 13 model I see areas they have saved weight. The clutch cover I feel like I could kick a hole in. The head has little substance to it (does it impact cooling ability, I'm not sure). The thickness of the tank is substantially reduced.

Will these impact it's lifespan? Maybe.. One thing you see with GG is that there are still a lot of people getting around on bikes over 10 years old. Some getting closer to 20.

Expansion pipe thickness is WAY thinner on these new 18's..
I bought the HydraForce kit from the UK. And I'm glad I did.

 

[Zman]

Will these impact it's lifespan? Maybe.. One thing you see with GG is that there are still a lot of people getting around on bikes over 10 years old. Some getting closer to 20.

LOL how about 20yrs old? In our riding group, we have nine GG bikes from between 1998 and 2004. They are a little heavy, but they handle well, make great power and are stone ax reliable and extremely durable! Speaking from experience we ride, drop, crash and sometimes abuse them and they are hard to break! For my application, I would much rather trade some weight for reliability and durability.

I think we are talking about a 7% difference in weight. That might be a big difference for some light riders in some riding applications and that difference will go unnoticed for many others.