Kickstand broken off, help please

[husley]

Nope, it's not welded to the frame. Short of pulling the swing arm and the engine I couldn't figure out a way to get a good angle on the MIG to weld on a new piece to the frame.

What I made gets held in place by the chain roller bolt. The angle iron catches the inside lip of the frame and keeps the chain roller bolt from being able to move towards the rear of the bike. I did have to shorten the piece of tubing that goes through the chain roller or I wouldn't have been able to get the bolt started because the shock linkage is in the way. I made it 1/8" shorter, the same as the thickness of the angle iron.

Genius. Thank You!

 

[liv2day]

This was my fix. Welded a piece of flat stock to a piece of angle iron. The flat stock takes up the space of the broken off piece. The angle iron holds on the inside of the frame. Been working just fine.

Digging this thread up as this just happened to me - 2nd ride on this bike and the damn thing snapped. I'm starting to question the design reliability - 1st ride had the gas tank develop a split and leak fuel the entire ride. 2nd ride and this tab breaks

Fortunately, everything stayed attached - including the wimpy portion of the tab that broke off.

A question for you Longboardr; I cannot tell from the image where that bracket you created mounts to the frame? Did you drill/tap somewhere on the inside of the frame near the foot peg?

I'm going to need to enlist the help of a friend that knows welding, so want to try and explain it as best as possible.

Thanks for any additional insight.

 

[desertgasser300]

This isn't just a problem isolated to the Gasser's. Riding behind a friends TE250 I watched his kick stand and mount fly off into the forest. Having a kick stand is a bonus, I take mine off. The terrain and riding is to tough on them. And that's for any off-road specific machine.

 

[liv2day]

The terrain and riding is to tough on them.

I agree, and because of that specific requirement, I believe forethought should be put into the design to encompass this. Not trying to stir up anything, just my experience thus far. For what it's worth, 107 hours of the same type of riding on my other bike with a kickstand and never an issue.

Anyway, just want to get it fixed so I'm back on the trail

 

[desertgasser300]

Anyway, just want to get it fixed so I'm back on the trail

Kickstands are nice to have, but it shouldn't keep you from riding.

 

[liv2day]

Kickstands are nice to have, but it shouldn't keep you from riding.

Not so worried about the kickstand as I am the chain roller

I have a buddy that offered to help weld a piece together like Longboardr created - just need to figure out where he mounted it.

 

[desertgasser300]

Not so worried about the kickstand as I am the chain roller

I have a buddy that offered to help weld a piece together like Longboardr created - just need to figure out where he mounted it.

Copy that. From the red frame I thought you had a later 12 or 13, but the pic of the broken bits shows you have an 11', correct? Yeah, I wouldn't ride either until it was welded back on. My wife's mount broke on hers also, welding it hasn't been a problem so far.

 

[Longboardr]

A question for you Longboardr; I cannot tell from the image where that bracket you created mounts to the frame? Did you drill/tap somewhere on the inside of the frame near the foot peg?

I'm going to need to enlist the help of a friend that knows welding, so want to try and explain it as best as possible.

Thanks for any additional insight.

The angle iron is held in place because it's clamped between the chain roller tubing and the kickstand by the chain roller bolt. That bolt is the only thing that attaches the angle iron to the bike. The force that is put onto the kickstand when it's down tries to pull the kickstand towards the rear axle, the angle iron catches the inside of the frame and keeps the kickstand from being able to pull away.

I don't have any dimensions for the part because it's basically a custom fit. The angle iron was 1/8" thick. You won't want to go any thicker than that because there's not a lot of room and you'll be shortening the chain roller tubing an 1/8" to make up for the thickness of the angle iron so you can get the bolt started (the linkage is in the way otherwise). You'll have to put the angle iron in place on the bike then mark where the break is on it and where you'll need to drill the hole and weld on the piece that makes up for what broke off your bike. The piece that was welded onto the angle iron was ground down to the same thickness as the piece that originally broke off the bike.

If you're still having trouble envisioning it I suggest you make a mock up piece out of cardboard and go spend some quality time with the bike

Original image

Red added where the angle iron is since everything is the color of dirt and it's hard to see. The angle is going behind the frame.

 

[liv2day]

If you're still having trouble envisioning it I suggest you make a mock up piece out of cardboard and go spend some quality time with the bike

Awesome - thanks for the additional information and for taking the time to mark-up the image - the red highlight definitely helps.

Don't think I'll be able to get this coordinated with my buddy over Turkey Day weekend, but hopefully the weekend after that.

Thanks again Longboardr!

 

[Jakobi]

Just tack a bit of steel on where the old bracket was. Drill a hole and mount a standard chain roller or you can mount the bracket back on. When mine crapped out I lost/broke the bracket which cost a few coins. I have the new one on the ready but have never bothered to replace it, as others have said, they just get beat up.

I know mine broke from pulling too hard on the bike when on the stand looking for firm ground. I don't think its engined for much more than holding the resting bike. Any other weights or forces bring the start of the end (and this applies to more than just gassers).

 

[pscook]

I found two washers in my collection that were correct inner and outer diameter to match the broken (and lost) tab. I tacked one washer behind the existing tab, and then I ground the other washer into a "D" shape to match the missing bit. I proceeded to tack everything together and painted it for good luck. The bolt was a pain to install since the tab is thicker than before, but it works.

I do like the bolt on tab from above, good idea and great execution.

 

[liv2day]

The angle iron is held in place because it's clamped between the chain roller tubing and the kickstand by the chain roller bolt. That bolt is the only thing that attaches the angle iron to the bike. The force that is put onto the kickstand when it's down tries to pull the kickstand towards the rear axle, the angle iron catches the inside of the frame and keeps the kickstand from being able to pull away.

Big thanks again to Longboardr for the creative solution; I think you should send the idea to the engineers at GG; how nice would it be if they incorporated something built a bit stronger to withstand the harsh duties of trail riding

My buddy came over last night with his welding kit and we attempted to replicate the piece/install. After a few attempts, multiple grinding sessions, and some bending of the piece with a hammer/vice, we were able to get it situated.

The one thing I couldn't figure out was making it "stay put" when attached to the kickstand bracket via the chain roller and bolt. It wanted to move around - primarily because there isn't enough room in the damn kick stand bracket to get a wrench in and tighten the main bolt - how the #$%@#$ do people tighten that bolt?

We (ie my buddy) ended up tacking a bit of weld to the fabbed piece and the frame to make it stay put. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts, hopefully longer than the original since it's more stout than that wimpy original tab.

I'll try to take some pictures and post; getting the springs stretched will probably be one of the hardest parts of putting her back together...lol.

 

[bowhunter007]

Once my sidestands come off...they stay off. Too many trees to lean on, and stumps to set them on.

 

[liv2day]

Once my sidestands come off...they stay off. Too many trees to lean on, and stumps to set them on.

I understand this, but it's really not practical for me and I ride in Tillamook State Forest...lol.

My first foray back into this sport was on a YZ450 without a kick stand and it was a royal PIA trying to find a tree to lean the bike against all the time. Sure, a MX bike doesn't need a stand, but a trail bike does in my opinion - lots of times stopped trying to naviguess, have a quick bite to eat, help a buddy pull his bike out of a creek, etc.

 

[liv2day]

Thought I'd post some pictures of the first failed attempt and the 2nd attempt that's hopefully successful (has yet to be trail tested)

I couldn't get the angle iron to "work properly" when reattaching the kickstand; the stand wanted to rotate and without the piece being attached, it would cause issues. The bolt attaching the kickstand is pretty weak IMO and it's hard as hell to get a wrench in that space to tighten. The first pic below is from the first attempt.

Thankfully, my buddy that knows welding was kind enough to come over again and this time he welded a piece of flat stock to the inside of the frame - on both sides of the foot peg. We bent this to get the right angle and then attached another piece of flat stock to the flimsy mounting tab that broke originally. Drilled through both sets and reattached. The only question now is whether the chain roller bolt has enough "bite" into the threaded portion on the kickstand mount. I'll probably pull it off and get a slightly longer bolt so I don't end up losing the roller on the trail over time.

 

[clydesherb]

did longboardrs type thing today

got the guy where i work to make this

butchered it up to this to clear in back

DRAWING OF TAB

fit it to frame

drilled thru for a couple of spring pins

ground about 1/16th off both sides of the roller bushing to better position the roller and put more threads in to the stand casting.

my old back hurts i'll clean this stuff up tomorrow