I currently have a 09 KTM 300 XCW and am thinking of getting a new bike next year. Want to stay with a two stroke and am considering a GG 300 as well as a '12 KTM 300. Would love to hear any feedback on the GG compared to the KTM?especially those who have sold their KTM 300 for the GG300. I like to race endures and trail ride.
KTM 300 XCW to GG 300
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rgranger
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i traded my 09 ktm 300 for a gg 300. bike seems easier to flick. after suspension work on each they are about the same. motor on the ktm seems like it has more grunt, the gg seems smoother. some things like rear brake adjustment are easier on the ktm. you can pull the plug on the gg without pulling the tank. the linked rear seems better on roots. thats all i got 
swazi_matt
Active member
personally think the gg is better for rocky tech stuff mostly diue to the fact that the seat is closer to the ground so you not on tiptoes when you need to dab
obviously this is not an issue if you have long legs!
obviously this is not an issue if you have long legs!
Ive found that the Gasser turns much better, and that it seems easier for me to ride standing. My knees feel locked onto the bike better when standing and seated. My balance is better on the Gas Gas. The motors are both very good and can be tuned to do what you want. No need to change pipe and silencer on the GAS GAS as they are good to go. I like the transmission on the Gas Gas better. I recently rode a KTM'11 xc back to back with my GAS GAS '11, im glad i bought the Gasser. Once dialed in both sets of suspension are good, Ill give the edge to the Gas Gas.
KTM is easier to work on, standardization of bolts, nuts, allen heads is better. KTM will be easier to get replacement parts for. Gas Gas is well represented in the after market you just have to know where to look.
This forum is an outstanding resource. There are lots of knowledgeable, mature members who are passionate about the brand and eager to help the new guys. And the importer regularly contributes.
Given the choice right now i would buy the GAS GAS.
KTM is easier to work on, standardization of bolts, nuts, allen heads is better. KTM will be easier to get replacement parts for. Gas Gas is well represented in the after market you just have to know where to look.
This forum is an outstanding resource. There are lots of knowledgeable, mature members who are passionate about the brand and eager to help the new guys. And the importer regularly contributes.
Given the choice right now i would buy the GAS GAS.
In combined riding, I can easily get 80 miles without hitting reserve on a stock tank. I'm plated and jetted for High Altitude. This bike turns WAYYY better than my Husaberg(550), period. I have found every part I want quite easily oem and aftermarket; sub-mount for my damper, radiator braces, foot pegs, bleeders etc.. Great bike, you can't go wrong in my book with the gasser.
If GG had a better importer and dealer network in the past, many of us would probably have been ridin' GG long ago. Good job Clay!
jz
ps: perfect no, but nothing is. There is some fit, finish and design issues, all minor so far(85 hrs). See kick stand thread(s)
If GG had a better importer and dealer network in the past, many of us would probably have been ridin' GG long ago. Good job Clay!
jz
ps: perfect no, but nothing is. There is some fit, finish and design issues, all minor so far(85 hrs). See kick stand thread(s)
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In combined riding i am hitting reserve at about 85 miles, on stock 2.5 gal (9 liter) tank. Those who are only getting 40 miles probably need to set their float level. More than likely pissing fuel out the overflow as they ride anything other than moderate terrain.
I think everyone who has adjusted their squish has seen their milage improve. Ive been getting thru two hour fifteen minute races with no problem. Have you ridden a Gasser? If not you really need to, i was on the fence as well but now i know im on the better bike. No doubt that i am faster around the race course, and play riding is more fun. I dont mean to sound like a homer, but im sold out at this point. Its not all roses, but its really good.
Where do you live maybe someone will volunteer a test ride. Im in the DFW area, if that is near you we can arrange a demo.
Where do you live maybe someone will volunteer a test ride. Im in the DFW area, if that is near you we can arrange a demo.
hudson_hollow
New member
I was deciding between a KTM 300 and Gas Gas 300 back in 2004. After riding both, I took the Gas Gas hands down. I replaced it in 2008 with another GG300 and my next bike will most likely be another GG300 unless I ride something I like better. So far that has not happened.
desertgasser300
Banned
Over 30mpg...w/RB head mod.
stainlesscycle
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good jetting and 1.2 squish i'm getting 2+ hours race pace. i almost always fuel stop and add a 1/2 gallon or so just in case - never hit reserve even on the 2 hrs + a lap - but i get close. maybe 50 miles in muddy conditions. a little more in dry conditions.
Thanks again for the feedback! There is a dealer here in Colorado that I think will let me test ride one. Its not that I don't like the KTM, I really do like it....best bike I've ever had. But, I've just heard good things about the GG and thought I better try one. I haven't talked with anyone yet that has been disappointed with the GG 300.
gasser
New member
At sea level to 1,000 ft altitude at race pace with the wrong needle in your carb and/or a float that is set too high under 20 miles per gallon is possible on a gasser but under the same conditions they get roughly the same mileage as KTMs. Trail riding mileage on my 250 and 300 gassers have averaged between 22 and 30 mpg at low altitude and as much as 33mpg in the Colorado mountains above 8,000 ft. Stock Gasser tanks are 2.5 gallons. Your 09 KTM tank is 2.9 gallons I think. The 2012 KTM 300 will have a smaller tank (2.65 gallons I think). I have found that the RB head mod is good for about 10% better fuel mileage. My 300 gasser with a Clark tank (3.2 gallons) and RB head mod would go 100 miles before hitting reserve in the Colorado high country.
swazi_matt
Active member
the biggest problem with dirt biking is that it is so much fun it is hard to get anyone to say something bad about the bike they ride!
Jakobi
Super Moderator
I've got nothing to add to this thread that hasn't been said.
I prefer the 'feel' of the gasser more. I feel like I'm sitting in the bike as opposed to on it. Its like we connect. Power delivery even when set up agressively really isn't. The engine is smooth and predictable and hooks up well. Keep it singing and it'll run around all day on the back wheel if not it'll chug like a 4 stroke equally as happily.
Like everyone else, fit and finish could be a tad better. You need to carry just about a full tool kit to work on this bike, but the plug and carb as easily acccessable with the tank on.
Only thing I don't like about mine is that its not a 2012 model
2010 model with 90hrs/3000kms I'm a happy camper. I'd recommend them to anyone who's in the market. Have a ride and you'll either like it or not 
I prefer the 'feel' of the gasser more. I feel like I'm sitting in the bike as opposed to on it. Its like we connect. Power delivery even when set up agressively really isn't. The engine is smooth and predictable and hooks up well. Keep it singing and it'll run around all day on the back wheel if not it'll chug like a 4 stroke equally as happily.
Like everyone else, fit and finish could be a tad better. You need to carry just about a full tool kit to work on this bike, but the plug and carb as easily acccessable with the tank on.
Only thing I don't like about mine is that its not a 2012 model
2010 model with 90hrs/3000kms I'm a happy camper. I'd recommend them to anyone who's in the market. Have a ride and you'll either like it or not 
motogroove
New member
Gas Gas comes complete with this forum - a very reliable source for reliable support, and very little BS (except for my BS). 
Gas Gas is more fun to say. Just say it out loud a few times. "I ride a Gas Gas".
And the looks on people's faces are much better when you say it.
Jim Cook rides a Gas Gas, and who doesn't want to be a little more like Jim?
The Spanish know a thing or two about dancing. Gas Gas dances with trees.
Ohlins.
Your choice of a Gas Gas will indicate that you are a man of refined taste, adventure and nonconformity. Sort of like 007, but with more edge.
One ride will tell you. "The first hit is free".
Happy shopping!
-Dean
2001 xc300
Gas Gas is more fun to say. Just say it out loud a few times. "I ride a Gas Gas".
And the looks on people's faces are much better when you say it.
Jim Cook rides a Gas Gas, and who doesn't want to be a little more like Jim?
The Spanish know a thing or two about dancing. Gas Gas dances with trees.
Ohlins.
Your choice of a Gas Gas will indicate that you are a man of refined taste, adventure and nonconformity. Sort of like 007, but with more edge.
One ride will tell you. "The first hit is free".
Happy shopping!
-Dean
2001 xc300
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Factory connection sells a" light spring" for the sp midvalve. The stock spring is stiffer which causes the mg to close quicker...harsher. this is the spiking you feel. Also the mg stack should look like this:
3-24x1
2-20x1
1-16
1-14
1-12
Set you float gap at .90 to 1.1mm.
Setting float also helps establish where you forks ride in the stroke. Play with the float to achieve balance.
Remove a 18 on the rebound stack
Base valve:
3-24
1-18
2-24
1-22
1-20
1-18
1-16
1-14
1-12
1-10
remove bottom support washer.(this prevents the shims from opening to full capacity if needed.
Be sure to set your clickers in the middle for intial testing. Once you establish a balanced feel from setting your float then you can adjust from there.
Rob
3-24x1
2-20x1
1-16
1-14
1-12
Set you float gap at .90 to 1.1mm.
Setting float also helps establish where you forks ride in the stroke. Play with the float to achieve balance.
Remove a 18 on the rebound stack
Base valve:
3-24
1-18
2-24
1-22
1-20
1-18
1-16
1-14
1-12
1-10
remove bottom support washer.(this prevents the shims from opening to full capacity if needed.
Be sure to set your clickers in the middle for intial testing. Once you establish a balanced feel from setting your float then you can adjust from there.
Rob
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Factory connection sells a" light spring" for the WP midvalve. The stock spring is stiffer which causes the mg to close quicker...harsher. this is the spiking you feel. Also the mg stack should look like this:
3-24x1
2-20x1
1-16
1-14
1-12
Set you float gap at .90 to 1.1mm.
Setting float also helps establish where you forks ride in the stroke. Play with the float to achieve balance.
Remove a 18 on the rebound stack
Base valve:
3-24
1-18
2-24
1-22
1-20
1-18
1-16
1-14
1-12
1-10
remove bottom support washer.(this prevents the shims from opening to full capacity if needed.
Be sure to set your clickers in the middle for intial testing. Once you establish a balanced feel from setting your float then you can adjust from there.
Rob
3-24x1
2-20x1
1-16
1-14
1-12
Set you float gap at .90 to 1.1mm.
Setting float also helps establish where you forks ride in the stroke. Play with the float to achieve balance.
Remove a 18 on the rebound stack
Base valve:
3-24
1-18
2-24
1-22
1-20
1-18
1-16
1-14
1-12
1-10
remove bottom support washer.(this prevents the shims from opening to full capacity if needed.
Be sure to set your clickers in the middle for intial testing. Once you establish a balanced feel from setting your float then you can adjust from there.
Rob
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Oops. This was supposed to be in the suspension thread under 43mm forks
