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skid jackson
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Clay your an A rider ... you passed me at the national enduro in maine when I was on my 144. I'm a C rider for life ... just the way the cards fell for me when it comes to dirt bikes ... As an A rider there are probably little moments when things are happening out on the trail that you will naturally compensate for so nothing happens. A C rider won't have that skill and things only head down hill from there ...
AZrick .... keep in mind my 300 was a DE which did not have a big azz flywheel weight. There are quite a few older 300's out there with a more motocross friendly flywheel set up in them. put a c rider on an open class 2t with a lightweight flywheel, set him out on a 60 mile enduro full of tight nasty roots rocks and mud cover trail... somewhere along the way the rider is going to wear out and the motor is going to be as lively as ever. When that worn out rider meets some nasty muddy rock garden in the last section and gets out of shape and goes into hold on at all cost mode .... and then grabs a big handfull of throttle .. well he's going to be wishing he was on a 200 or 125!!! There is a reason the woods of New England are full of ktm 200's!!
I guess a lot of it boils down to your skill level, your riding style, and the terrain your most likely to ride. and maybe how big your flywheel weight is ....
AZrick .... keep in mind my 300 was a DE which did not have a big azz flywheel weight. There are quite a few older 300's out there with a more motocross friendly flywheel set up in them. put a c rider on an open class 2t with a lightweight flywheel, set him out on a 60 mile enduro full of tight nasty roots rocks and mud cover trail... somewhere along the way the rider is going to wear out and the motor is going to be as lively as ever. When that worn out rider meets some nasty muddy rock garden in the last section and gets out of shape and goes into hold on at all cost mode .... and then grabs a big handfull of throttle .. well he's going to be wishing he was on a 200 or 125!!! There is a reason the woods of New England are full of ktm 200's!!
I guess a lot of it boils down to your skill level, your riding style, and the terrain your most likely to ride. and maybe how big your flywheel weight is ....
Skid,
I got a chuckle out of your description of the 300s power. To me, having that extra power you don't need gets my lazy a$$ over and up things that I wouldn't be able to get over on the 250. Funny how we all have such different opinions of the same thing. I guess that's why motorcycles companies make more than one engine size, huh?
Clay
I'm a C-pace racer who likes to play with the Beez. I can screw up with the best of them and I think that my frisky DE250 (with an 11oz FWW added) has more likelihood of getting me into trouble than a XC300 with a 17ox FWW that I will feel comfortable and capable riding a gear (or two) high. With the 250 I had be be in the gearbox. With the 300, it didn't much matter. 
I know they are available through gofasters for the 2011's, can't imagine it being very hard to modify to fit the 12 especially if you've got some tig welding skills. The Cannon is lightest, simplest most powerful design ive seen. I tried the Leo and it looked cool but had nowhere neer the performance of the Cannon and if you need a spark arrester the Leo design sucks, too small and clogs easily.
Clay
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Very good point. Thank you for reminding me of the obvious. Sometimes I forget. Another good reason for companies to make more than one engine size.
Well I'm a Big Fella. 218lbs right now and I race 4 stroke A, I wish I was B but they wont let me cause I screwed around and won a Race last year in A...Im way to out of shape and dont train to be in the A class. Maybe I should get to training and a 300 Gasser and get at it. thanks for all the great info.
thanks for all the great info.
bowhunter007
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What should you weigh? Right now, I'm in better shape than I was 15 years ago. I'm at 250# with my gear on. The longer the day, the better I get. My poor bike handling has pushed my conditioning way up. As my skills progress, I just push harder, therefore my conditioning has stayed put. I still stink, but I have a blast doing it. The 250 or 300 pull my big ass along just fine. I usually ride the 300, as it seems for forgiving at the bottom and midrange. I've never raced MX, Enduro, or any motorbikes. I can only assume, based who I usually ride with, maybe a midpack C guy.Well I'm a Big Fella. 218lbs right now and I race 4 stroke A, I wish I was B but they wont let me cause I screwed around and won a Race last year in A...Im way to out of shape and dont train to be in the A class. Maybe I should get to training and a 300 Gasser and get at it.
skid jackson
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With the 250 I had be be in the gearbox. With the 300, it didn't much matter.
Thats a pretty apt comparison between my 250 and 300. coming off the 144 I kind of like being "in the gear box"! different strokes for different folks i guess!!
skid jackson
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You gotta understand, I suck. I'm always messing up either my clutch or gear selection. I'd have a Rekluse if I weren't so cheap.
twowheels
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I came off of a Yamaha 167 onto a pair of GasGas 250s, both with RB modded heads, and for a while I thought the Spanish two-fifty was the perfect engine. At some races I had to play the map switch like a teletype machine though, and there were times where I couldn't quite find the right gear.
Having been a fly-on-the-wall to a conversation extolling the virtues of the 300 I sampled one last season and then jumped in full force this year. With the right jetting its super-linear on the bottom and the wheel hooks up and doesn't spin, even over nasty roots and rocks. Twist the right grip a little more and the trees fly by.
It doesn't seem to matter what gear you're in (full disclosure I'm running a 13/50 Ironman combo) because with the torque available you're always in the right gear!
I'm racier on the big-bore than the 250 because I don't have to be as spot-on with the clutch and throttle - thank God for that big piston!
Having been a fly-on-the-wall to a conversation extolling the virtues of the 300 I sampled one last season and then jumped in full force this year. With the right jetting its super-linear on the bottom and the wheel hooks up and doesn't spin, even over nasty roots and rocks. Twist the right grip a little more and the trees fly by.
It doesn't seem to matter what gear you're in (full disclosure I'm running a 13/50 Ironman combo) because with the torque available you're always in the right gear!
I'm racier on the big-bore than the 250 because I don't have to be as spot-on with the clutch and throttle - thank God for that big piston!
LAWMAN
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Which, you ask, is the better of the 250 & 300? Well, that's easy.
The only bike for me is a 250, that is when I am riding on dirt with good traction, tight turns, tight trees, etc.
The only bike for me is a 300, when I am at the bottom of some rocky creek bed, looking at a wet, snotty, rocky, twisty climb out & back to the top, or need to power through deep sand or thick gumbo mud, or need to climb some huge hill.
That is my position, I will not compromise or deviate from it under any circumstance.
* confession: I stole the theme of this from a speech given by "Soggy" Sweat in the MS House of Reps when they were debating whether to allow sales of liquor by the drink. the speech is known to history as "The Whiskey Speech"; it is truly a classic, & well worth googling it up if you are interested, + he was a great guy (he was still at Ole Miss when I went to school there, & I bought a signed copy of the speech when he was in poor health late in life) .
The only bike for me is a 250, that is when I am riding on dirt with good traction, tight turns, tight trees, etc.
The only bike for me is a 300, when I am at the bottom of some rocky creek bed, looking at a wet, snotty, rocky, twisty climb out & back to the top, or need to power through deep sand or thick gumbo mud, or need to climb some huge hill.
That is my position, I will not compromise or deviate from it under any circumstance.
* confession: I stole the theme of this from a speech given by "Soggy" Sweat in the MS House of Reps when they were debating whether to allow sales of liquor by the drink. the speech is known to history as "The Whiskey Speech"; it is truly a classic, & well worth googling it up if you are interested, + he was a great guy (he was still at Ole Miss when I went to school there, & I bought a signed copy of the speech when he was in poor health late in life) .
