P3 carbon pipe guard

[Skidad]

P3 (Pirie Performance Products) will soon have a carbon fibre pipe guard for the OEM 07-09 Gas Gas pipes (the FMF Gnarly pipe they already have one for) This is the pipe that has the GG stamped on it.

I am supplying them with my OEM GG pipe and he will build the mold for the guards. I am also supplying them with an E-Line guard for comparison purposes.

P3 if you aren't familiar with them used to build the E-Line carbon fiber products before E-Line farmed it out to China I believe. HANDS DOWN the P3 stuff is superior to the E-Line stuff now. Usually thicker and with more coverage as well. I'll keep you posted when it's ready and if there are any other protective parts you would like made for the Gassers let me know and I'll talk to them about it.

http://pirieperfprod.com/

 

[2 strokes 4 life]

They look really good. I would like to get one for my Gnarly and the Doma.

 

[SpeedyManiac]

I'm interested, but not holding my breathe. In my experience (with an eline guard from 03 or 04), carbon fiber is not durable enough to be used as a pipe guard or skid plate. It also offers nothing to protect a pipe from getting kinked.

 

[Skidad]

I'm interested, but not holding my breathe. In my experience (with an eline guard from 03 or 04), carbon fiber is not durable enough to be used as a pipe guard or skid plate. It also offers nothing to protect a pipe from getting kinked.

Hey nothing is perfect. I look at it this way, it's another option for the Gas Gas bikes and that's a good thing. The P3 stuff is very very good but nothing will totally protect the pipe. The Hyde combo may be the best, especially for kinks but I've had very good luck with an aluminum skid plate and carbon fiber guard here in VERY rocky New England on my KTM. I also like to remove my skid plate for washing and in that regard the Hyde is a total nightmare.

When it's done I'll take some pics comparing the P3 to the E-Line.

 

[GMP]

Its too bad Les doesn't make the CF guards anymore, his were far better than the older ELine. They weren't as shiny but there was a lot more carbon fiber in the correct configuration. Mine took a beating. I've had several Eline guards, and while decent when new, the resin breaks down over time from the beating and the carbon cloth flexes in on a hit, denting the pipe. You remove a seemingly servicable pipe guard to find a dented pipe. They also sometimes make damage worse by kinking the header, and trap mud and water that rusts the pipe if not removed and cleaned. But, I'd still choose one over nothing.

The Hyde is not perfect but its the closest. Once I'm healed enough to lift the bike off the stand I'll start re-engineering the mounts to make life eaiser. In the meantime, if you use a few pieces of foam, it stays clean enough to not require removal.

 

[cvl05]

Glen, how is the Hyde guard. I am using an E-line cf and i hate it. The pipe gets dents under the guard and now it cracked. Junk!!!!!!
The Hyde pipe protector/skid plate combo looks a little goofy but may be the ticket. Has any one run this combo????

 

[GMP]

cv I agree with you 100%.

I like the Hyde, its been on my bike for all of '07 but I only rode a couple times in '08 due to injury. Theres a pic in my gallery of the guard with a years worth of scars, not bad. The mounts are a little goofy, but may have been improved since I got mine. I'm redesigning my own mounts now. Some guys have dinged a frame rail through the guard, but I never did and I hit a lot of rocks. I have some delrin pipe I plan to cut and snap over the frame sections for added protection anyway. Get some foam and stuff it in the front or the thing will collect a lot of mud. My pipe has remained unscathed, which is unbelievable if you saw where I ride. Its also nice if you case out on a huge log crossing, as the bike tends to slide off and not hang up.

Overall I would recommend it.

 

[unclejosh]

The Old LTR Guard and A Moose Aluminum Guard

Thanks to skidad for getting this going...but if it like the e-line, then it has limited value.........


I had good luck with Uncle Lesters CF Guard - took a beating and Doma mostly survived. E-line is a joke............anyway...............

I had the kinks worked out of the Doma and put an old school aluminum Moose guard onnit - They work OK from past experience, not the greatest, but Ok if there is some space and gaps between so the guard takes some some impact force first.

My buddy has a Hyde and swears by it, I think it is kinda ugly. But, hey if it works ..........

 

[Skidad]

Trust me it WILL be better than the E-Line guard. Maybe not enough to make everyone happy but it should be good and a viable option. The Hyde thing is good for sure but I wish they would make just a pipe guard without the attached skidplate as an option. They never responed to my e-mail. (Hyde Developments in South Africa) http://www.hydedevelopments.co.za/index.html

I have supplied P3 with an E-Line guard as well as pictures of it on the bike for comparison purposes and I drew an outline on the pipe where I believe the new guard should cover. It should have allot more coverage than the E-Line does now (which is kind of a joke) and much more like the current P3 stuff for the GG Gnarly and KTM pipes. The slots for the hose clamp mounts are also really nicely done and make fitment easy. It should be a bit thicker also. They are working on it now.

 

[slocalspode]

Let us know when they have it ready. I'll place
the second order for one. If it will fit the 03 FMF
Gnarly pipe.
Thanks SkiDad
Jeff

 

[GMP]

Jeff,

The whole point of the Hyde being a unified skid plate/pipe guard is the rigidity in the pipe guard now being mounted to the frame. Frontal impact and kink protection are unsurpassed except probably by the Whipps type guards. If its the plastic that bugs you, it would not be hard to address with an aluminum plate mounted on the inside of the plastic, or as I plan on trying, tubing (pipe) sections cut to fit over the frame member sections.

 

[cvl05]

We ride a sh-- load of rock and with plenty of fallen logs hear in Id. Is some protection between the frame and Hyde guard needed for bashing over rocks and logs ??? The CRD guards get bent and loosen up almost every ride. Kind of a pain, the mounting is lame and i think the plate is too thin as well, distorts to easily. I think i'll give the Hyda a go.
Curtis

 

[GMP]

cv,

Your experience with the CRD mirrors mine exactly. Thin and weak with junk mounts. The Meccasystem looks like a really nice alloy plate but does not solve the pipe guard problem.

I suppose its possible to ding the frame through the plastic plate if you case out really hard on a rock, but I have never done it and I ride really gnarly stuff. You can bend anything if you hit hard enough. I hope to get working on my bike soon, once I'm cleared by the doc to pull on wrenches. I'll post some pics of the delrin pipe sections added to the frame rails. I don't think its a neccessity though and I'd certainly get the Hyde.

 

[fury1]

I suppose its possible to ding the frame through the plastic plate if you case out really hard on a rock,

My small outside frame rails are both bent upwards,but then again my footpegs are both bent as well,we put the skidplate through quite a beating around here,and just the outside edges towards the footpeg area is hammered,I should snap some pics to show the damage,however the CRD would last one ride before it would loosen up and then hinge forward creating a dangerous situation

 

[PEB]

I love my Hyde combo. I made a front mount out of alum. bar that spans the frame tubes and pulls the plate as tight as you want to the bike. For the rear mounts I have a washer on the shifter side and an small alum. plate on the brake side. As long as the unit is firmly mounted it provides great protection to the pipe and underside of the bike. I did howeve beef up the bottom with a piece of HDPE(cutting board) bolted to the bottom as an extra glide piece after putting a dent in one of the frame rails. I'll post some pics of the mounts and I need to get some pice or video of the GG sliding over some logs. It seems to go over them much easier than most of the KTMs I ride with.

 

[HuskyDude]

Does anyone have pics of the P3 Pipe guard mounted?
I had the E line guard given to me with the bike and the fit is OK but not perfect. The end sticks out quite a bit near the sticker. Hard to tell from the pictures.
Wondering if the P3 is any better?

 

[Skidad]

If you're wanting to install it on the 2010 300 you have it's probably a no go.

You are in Canada and it looks like the the pipe you have there is an OEM GG pipe (we get FMF pipes here in the states on the new bikes). GG changed the design of their header section to improve ground clearance on the OEM GG pipe for 08 to current. The P3 guard is designed to fit up through 07. I supplied him my pipe to make the guard and have no idea how it would fit your pipe if at all. He followed my design sketch on the pipe almost exactly and covers far more than the e-line guard. Impressive piece.

I can snap some pics of the 07 OEM GG pipe with the P3 guard installed and the US supplied models FMF pipe with the P3 guard as well if you want since I have both.

 

[HuskyDude]

Thx... Love to see some pics.
I've been in touch with Eric on other matters. He's a very busy guy and I think he would need a larger clientele before he would make a guard for current models. But I guess it's worth a call.

 

[Brian]

So whats the verdict guys? I'm thinking about getting one for my 06 which has the gas gas stamped pipe. I already have a hyde skid plate, The combo plate looks a little ridiculous, so I am leaning away from that. Does this thing provide some protection, say from a drop in some rocks?

 

[gernika]

My two cents:

-Substantially thicker than the E-Line one.
-It mounted without a problem, '06 EC300.
-A few standing falls directly on the guard over big rocks and a few more going over logs without any damage, small scuff.

The only issue that I had was getting it, it took a couple of weeks longer than expected but Eric from P3 always returned my e-mails.

I will buy another one for the next Gasser that I get.