2017 EC 300 vs 2008

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Was offered good price on the new model, don't yet even know if it's E or what type suspension is it equipped with; reiger/marzz , sachs/sachs etc.
street homologated version.

Interested in comparing:
- Weight, reports say 2012on models are heavy feel
- maneuverability in slow trecherous offroad, mid steep hill starting & mx track experienced amateur usage
- ease of engine setup is prefferably the same as previous models, squish, compression, jetting
-AS2 without TPS i hope
- plastic subframe prone to breaking? alu is easy to weld.

any other live usage data valuable info.

I know powervalve is adjustable since '15.
 
Sub-frame is not plastic

Bike will have a much larger overall feel

Engine is virtually unchanged

Marzocchi 48's up front and Reiger shock out back

AS2 no TPS


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2015 motor is like a worked 2011
It came with an AS1 (imho better low end)
Waaaay better suspension
E start
Way better high speed and pretty much equal low speed handling

A generational leap me thinks.
 
Fred1956 said:
I think he is saying his '15 came with a ASI and that it was better than his '11 ASII .......maybe :confused:
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Not all 15's had AS1 carbs though.

I had a 10 (worked to Nambo/Cervantez spec), 13 with custom head, revalved shock and KYB SSS forks, access to my dealers 15 250R (now owned by a friend/forum member), and spent 4 hours the past weekend chasing my dealer around while he self demo'd his 17 250R.

I didn't ride his 17, but his thoughts were that his 17 felt very nice. With 42 NEDW#2, 175 it ran like a champ. He got 110kms of mixed terrain without hitting reserve on the stock engine, fuel consumption on par with my 2013 with head mod. His suspension to him felt slightly plusher than his 15 model, and he loved that suspension.

I have rode his previous 15, and thought it was nice. Clearly felt smaller and more refined than my 13 model.

To me, anything from 13 onward is worlds ahead of the 11 earlier chassis. In a different league. I loved my 10 model, and never once thought it was lacking or holding me back, but after possession of the 13 I only had eyes for the new girl... who no longer looks anything like new.
 
Does GG use AS1/AS2 according to area, where bike will be ridden or they just bolt on whichever comes from the shelf? I presume the latter.

AS1 should be cheaper unit, not used in other bikes for years, thats why I'm baffled for it being used in some '15.
Could be that they were forced to spend less in that uncertain production year.
'17 are all AS2 suppose.

Damn, those nice impressions are certainly butterflying my guts now.
 
keep it simple....

If it's an E and the price is right, go for it.... mine came with an AS1. I came from a 09 with a AS2. Good starter and the suspension upgrade and I was sold...
adjustable powervalve is also a big plus...

Basically what Simmo said its true but don't expect magic stuff, at the end of the day a dialed up 08 would do as good...
 
I think the carb model simply boils down to availability, what they have access to in what quantities.
 
I've had a '12 XC250 since new and it now has about 260 hrs on it. If I had the spare cash, I'd upgrade to a '17 in a second. While my bike is a very good bike IMO, the last 5 years appear to have evolved that good chassis in a ton of good ways.
 
'12 chasis BE10000013012
'13 chasis BE10000013013
'14 chasis BE10000CT-CAB-1
'15 chasis BE10000CT-CAB-1
'17 chasis BE10000CT-CAB-1

So '14 and on, frame is the same.
12 to 17 triples top and bottom are also the same.
 
5valve said:
'12 chasis BE10000013012

'13 chasis BE10000013013

'14 chasis BE10000CT-CAB-1

'15 chasis BE10000CT-CAB-1

'17 chasis BE10000CT-CAB-1



So '14 and on, frame is the same.

12 to 17 triples top and bottom are also the same.
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Sub-frame is different from 15 to 17. Plastic is still the same though


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If all goes well, saturday is the GG3 '17 day.

future plan is to check squish, measure compression, cylinder height, piston to ex port distance, 50T rear, full set of plastics, different muffler, maybe remove starter kit, always on lights etc.

What I don't like is the lack of hi speed compression on the shock, and not yet sure, but it seems like it has ohlins type valve for nitrogen charging.

q: should checkpoints impeler universally fit, as I've read new models have improved WP chamber..maybe modded impeler also.
 
5valve said:
If all goes well, saturday is the GG3 '17 day.



future plan is to check squish, measure compression, cylinder height, piston to ex port distance, 50T rear, full set of plastics, different muffler, maybe remove starter kit, always on lights etc.



What I don't like is the lack of hi speed compression on the shock, and not yet sure, but it seems like it has ohlins type valve for nitrogen charging.



q: should checkpoints impeler universally fit, as I've read new models have improved WP chamber..maybe modded impeler also.
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After you ride that bike your plans will change. You will find the 50t sprocket unnecessary. I ran a 50t on my older GG bikes but on the 15 I stuck with the 48. Also the stock exhaust works very well and the 17 will ha e what seems like 2x the power of the older bikes. Once you get a taste of the e-start there's no way you will take it off. Just spend $75 on a lithium battery and throw the kicker in the trash bin. Lol


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Thanks on the writeup.
When past meets future ;)

It has car type thermostat for quicker water heat up. Is this excess item, or do you find any use of it, especially in low rpm cold weather driving.
 

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First impressions, no real riding yet.

Rubber boot for handlebar throttle mechanism is missing or not supplied.
Fork upper clickers range: left 22, right 18
Starter just grinds, no engine rotation, even w/o sparkpug. Battery shows 12.5V. I really hope its battery related.

Squish >2mm.
Needle N1EF, will use for break in.
Supplied CHN, seems as lean as N3EG at idle and leaner at the tip. Single taper.
Sparkplug denso.
No coolant expansion chamber.

Bike a bit more fiddly for dismantling, polisport tad lower quality than he-bo plastics.

Gear shifting excellent feel.

Have repositioned footpegs to lover position, this does move them at bit forward.
Had to rethread one of the footpeg bracket bolts and its mating frame thread, as they used screw with mangled thread. Fixable no problem.

Chain seems tad short, slack 3.5cm, tyre already rubbing shock protector, and it needs even more slack. (no way to fit 50T on this chain)

Electric cables are nicely sorted, no chaos behind front mask.

When tilting bike left to right at standstil, seems very slow, top heavy. Blame the the battery suppose. Li ion presume is lighter.

That about sums it up. I did arrange a bike to be in a test of a national car bike magazine.
 
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I have kept the thermostat in my 13 model for last 170hrs. Not really needed in my climate, but no issues with it.

CHN needle is part of the emissions controls to be used with airbox restrictor and catalytic converter pipe. Throw it away.
 
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