217 hrs new top end

3beejay3

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2012 XC250. Bike now has 217 hours on it, so I decided to freshen it up as a Smart Carb is going on it.

Bore looked pretty good, though I forgot to take a pic.

Piston looked ok to me, minor scuffing and a bit more dark staining than normal around the rings, especially on the exhaust side, probably cause it always has been run pretty rich.
Rings had hardly any wear, with the end gap measuring .48mm (spec is between .4 and .7mm)
Wet compression test showed 192 PSI before it was disassembled.

I probably could have ran it a bunch more on the original parts, but once it's apart, new stuff goes in.

old & new:
 

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It was still running strong before I parked it for the winter. I debated doing the top end, but wanted a fresh start with the new carb.

This one could have went another 100 hrs probably, maybe more.

Not bad considering the air filter has only been changed about 4 times since new.....& I run whatever cheap fuel I can find.
Same spark plug has been in for over 200 hrs as well.

Ipone strawberry oil at 50 or 60:1 or so. Though I did run some Amsoil for a few tanks a while back.......
 
If I run my air filter more than 6 hours here when its dry it looks like a bundt cake..:eek:

Mine looked like that when I took it out for this top end. Had a thick layer of dirt all over it, like cocoa...... Inside is as clean as an operating room.
Summertime here can get dusty. Spring & fall aren't bad usually........
 
You get 50hrs out of an air filter? I don't get many more than that out of a set of rings.

Just goes to show that the variables run far and wide when it comes to these things, and as such no one magic number is the 'right time' for maintenance.

On topic of air filters though, I think washing them does allow a certain amount of fine sediment to be distributed through the filter that otherwise wouldn't have been. The act of taking something dirty and submerging it will do that. Rinsing and rinsing helps, but I doubt anyone ever gets 100% of dust/dirt out.

I'd love to either keep the filters on longer, or replace with new items more frequently, but I don't have much option. A single day out for me is around 3-4 engine hours, and I'm lucky to get 2 rides before the filter is either caked up, soaking wet, or both.. to the point you can notice the difference in performance.
 
You get 50hrs out of an air filter? I don't get many more than that out of a set of rings.

Just goes to show that the variables run far and wide when it comes to these things, and as such no one magic number is the 'right time' for maintenance.

On topic of air filters though, I think washing them does allow a certain amount of fine sediment to be distributed through the filter that otherwise wouldn't have been. The act of taking something dirty and submerging it will do that. Rinsing and rinsing helps, but I doubt anyone ever gets 100% of dust/dirt out.

I'd love to either keep the filters on longer, or replace with new items more frequently, but I don't have much option. A single day out for me is around 3-4 engine hours, and I'm lucky to get 2 rides before the filter is either caked up, soaking wet, or both.. to the point you can notice the difference in performance.

Most guys around here will change them out much more often.. I don't like the task, so I avoid doing it until it's really, really, really needed. LOL
I have a theory;
Each time a filter is changed, it increases the odds of stray bits of dirt getting into the intake tract. One un-noticed stray bit the size of a typical piece of sand can cause a lot of damage.
If the filter foam is in decent condition and well oiled, and properly installed & seated, it will stop all but the smallest particles. The dirt that gets trapped outside helps stop other dirt and so on.
The filter has to be pretty heavily caked before it starts to impede performance. The bike still seems to pull strongly even when there's an 1/8" of caked dirt all over the outer surface.

When I do change/clean the filter I use varsol, then vaccuum the filter with a shop vac, as there is always stray bits of junk still in the foam. (this is important IMO) I vacuum it thoroughly- first the outside, then the inside & focus on the inside until I cant see any more foreign matter.
I then thoroughly clean and vacuum the intake tract before the carb, and all around the filter mount and airbox before re-installing a fresh filter. A filter clean/change often takes me an hour, hour and a half or more, as it takes quite a while to go thru all the process and make sure everything is right before I'm happy.

I seem to get fairly long service out of my top ends compared to many others, so this approach seems to work, in my experience.

My riding style may help to a degree. I'm not afraid to get on the pipe, but only do so when absolutely necessary, or when I want a rush & tend to ride a gear high and try to maintain momentum thru stuff. I'm not the fastest guy and certainly not the slowest either. This approach seems to help make the rest of the drive train last longer as well....

Local conditions are certainly a factor. If all my riding was in a dusty desert, I'd be miserable with all the filter changes Id need to do.
 
I have a load of filters. I grab a dry, clean filter as required during pre ride check over (days/night leading up to planned ride). Freshly oiled and fitted to a clean bike, with delicate care to the ensure no dirt in the intake. Filter will remain on the bike until the next time I deem it due for a change.

When the box of clean ones is empty, and the box of dirty filters is full its time to undergo the horrid task of cleaning them. First get rinsed through old tainted kero, then through some fresh kero. Then into soapy water, over and over and over. Cycling from one bucket back to another checking the base of the bucket when disposing to check for sediment. When done onto the line to dry. It takes a while, but luckily with enough filters in the cycle it's probably a job done less often than changing tyres.
 
I know you dont need me telling you how to look after airfilters, but a chux cloth wrapped over filter stops 90% of the dust sticking to your filter. Its really dusty here and I get a few rides out of a filter using this method, and even then the filter is discolored but not overly dirty
 
I have a load of filters. I grab a dry, clean filter as required during pre ride check over (days/night leading up to planned ride). Freshly oiled and fitted to a clean bike, with delicate care to the ensure no dirt in the intake. Filter will remain on the bike until the next time I deem it due for a change.

When the box of clean ones is empty, and the box of dirty filters is full its time to undergo the horrid task of cleaning them. First get rinsed through old tainted kero, then through some fresh kero. Then into soapy water, over and over and over. Cycling from one bucket back to another checking the base of the bucket when disposing to check for sediment. When done onto the line to dry. It takes a while, but luckily with enough filters in the cycle it's probably a job done less often than changing tyres.

I used to do that on past bikes- I had about 4 filters in rotation. I've just gotten lazy I think :o
Another question - which part of OZ are you in? I was there 4 years ago and did some riding in Victoria and also in Queensland.


Fullthrottle - what is a chux cloth?

I've thought about making a piece of foam to size and stuffing it in the top of the airbox. That way it could get the worst of it and would be a lot easier to change and clean without worry of dirt getting in the intake. Not a fan of how these airboxes are designed.
 
I'm up the pointy end towards the top. My biggest challenge is keeping the filters dry. Usually the underside of the filter that ends up caked in whatever crud is stirred up in various bodies of water/deep ruts.
 
I have 4+ filters in rotation too. Do the same thing and wash them when the're all dirty. I made the switch to Notoil about 5-6 years ago and it's much less painful washing filters now. No smell either, witch is a good thing as the bike shop is in the basement of my house. Even washing them out side with soap and water after varsol would stink up the house. Now they could go in the laundry if I wanted too. Some guys think the Notoil is more prone to letting water in, but I certainly have had no trouble and we ride plenty of water holes.
 
I use uni-filter cleaner and wash in the utility sink in the basement. Put on trailer to dry. Usually a couple hours in the sun then spray them down with filter oil. I keep them in gallon ziplock bags. I don't see it as a big deal to clean. I do keep 2 for each bike. Some places we ride are dusty so day 2 will get a clean filter.
 
This thread really strayed away from the original topic ehh? Lol. But, a good method for preventing dirt getting dropped into the intake while changing filters, is to vacuum out the intake boot before installed the new filter.
 
Ive seriously considered standing bike on back wheel to do filter.that way any dirt dislodged would fall away from boot!
I did rotate 3 filters until the 1 that was drying fell off its perch and the dog thought it was a new chew toy!
 
This thread really strayed away from the original topic ehh? Lol. But, a good method for preventing dirt getting dropped into the intake while changing filters, is to vacuum out the intake boot before installed the new filter.

AAhh, it's not so bad. It's all kinda related anyways & there's good info being passed around.

I vacuum my intake each change. Also run my fingers around in there to see if I can feel anything that shouldn't be there.
 
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