Dirt Rider 300 2 stroke shoot out

Back in the 1980s and 1990s when I was a cross-country hang glider pilot flying the competion gliders, weight was often an issue (because we had to hoof them off the mountain launch. The comp gliders were heavier because they had to be made stiffer so as not to flex too much at speed. Sure, speed, glide ratio, sink-rate, handling and landing performance were the primary considerations. But weight discussions sometimes entered the mix.

The two main manufacturers were Wills Wing in California (sort of like KTM, today), and Moyes in Australia (very Gas Gassy). The owner's son, Steve Moyes was the Nambotin of his day (and never defected , of course).

Yes, the Moyes felt a bit heavy on the ground, but in the air the Moyes GTR turned circles (quite literally) around the Wills glider and easily out-landed it.

Everyone cited the weight figures in the brochures. I had talked to the manufactures and found that Moys weightls their gliders "in the glider bag" with all the pads and bags contained inside while the other manufacturers weighed them set up with extraneous doo-dads removed.

So, one day I bought my bathroom scale to the set-up area and had people weigh them. The Moyes glider actually weighed a couple pounds less while set up than the specs stated. The other gliders all weighed the same or more, narrowing the differences to an insignificant 3 or 4 pounds.

I think I'll do the same for our next camp and ride.
 
Don't get too worked up. A 2012/3 300e is 258 ready to go, 1 gal of gas, rad and hand guards.

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So, enuf of the weight talk. What, if any, was the substance of the article? I hope my mag is waiting for me at home.
 
I read the article and it was ok. I truely believe the bike was not set up well. I think about when I bought my 2011 Race used becasue the gentleman who had it just did not like it. I went to pick it up and it had maybe 5 hrs on it and the engine ws very tight. I knew it was basically new. Took it for a test drive and yea it did not run that well. Gearing felt gappy. Ok low end. flat in the middle and a big hit. I had a 2005 so I was confident. Bring the bike home. Adjust the power valve linkage to take out the slop. Do a bunch of Jetting with the help of this site. Get rid of excessive preload on the shock. Can run 13-48 in sand and esily catch gear to gear. The thing hooks up like no other.

Now back to the test. Power was smooth but flat the middle but it din't rev. Rear shock had a spike. Front end was a little sketchy. Forks just did not work well (was this air in the cartridge?). Heavy. Brakes felt weak because the bike was so heavy. Wierd gearing. Adam Booth persoal note just ragged on it. Outside of the comments on the forks it sounded lie the bike I picked I bought.

It is too bad because if set up right with no cost except a needle the bike is outstanding. My best validaion is all I do is mess with my KTM trying it to get it to be closer to the GasGas.
 
bukwheat said:
You might see me there but I'm in the "Grandpa" class. I love racing down in Perry Mtn. I was this past year at the shoot out and started, got about 4 miles and the newly installed Recluse started slipping real bad and lost drive.
Where are you in GA?
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Forsyth County-30 min. north of Atlanta. I race the SORCS series in Ga., Tenn. its alot of fun. I havent raced SETRA in a while but I always liked the shootout. Racing guys from other series is fun and I like Clanton. Alabama is beautiful. I also am in the "old man" class. Will be 45 this year. Hopefully we will run into each other sometime.
 
estwudsracer said:
Forsyth County-30 min. north of Atlanta. I race the SORCS series in Ga., Tenn. its alot of fun. I havent raced SETRA in a while but I always liked the shootout. Racing guys from other series is fun and I like Clanton. Alabama is beautiful. I also am in the "old man" class. Will be 45 this year. Hopefully we will run into each other sometime.
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Drop me a line when you plan to be over this way and I will look you up. If you want to come over and ride, let me know....I've got some good places to ride.
 
Well to someone like myself who hasn't ridden all those bikes, it does raise some questions. But hopefully I can make it to the Cross Fork PA round and ride as many as I can get my grubby little paws on. I also know that no matter what the "EXPERTS" say at the dirt rags, they aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them. Gone are the days of Rick "Super Hunky" Sieman who regularly pizzed off the manufacturers. I don't hold anything against KTM, remember years ago when the Japanese big 4 ruled the earth and Honda won every shootout! Besides the people on this forum are not paid for their reviews so I'm thinking that the GasGas might be just a little better than Dirt Rider says.:D
 
JCG61 said:
Well to someone like myself who hasn't ridden all those bikes, it does raise some questions. But hopefully I can make it to the Cross Fork PA round and ride as many as I can get my grubby little paws on. I also know that no matter what the "EXPERTS" say at the dirt rags, they aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them. Gone are the days of Rick "Super Hunky" Sieman who regularly pizzed off the manufacturers. I don't hold anything against KTM, remember years ago when the Japanese big 4 ruled the earth and Honda won every shootout! Besides the people on this forum are not paid for their reviews so I'm thinking that the GasGas might be just a little better than Dirt Rider says.:D
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Super Hunky is the man! He still sells bikes and stuff on the vintage forums.
 
Definitely disappointed with DR's review. I have riden a KTM 200 back to back with my GG 200, yes my gasser does feel heavier, but it doesnt feel that much heavier, and I feel like it actually turns better and tracks better than the KTM. I can somewhat agree with there being a bit of harshness in the fork and shock in the midstroke, but after a revalve which who doesnt do that anyways, it is like riding a cloud. Just kind of saddening to see the bias with which the article was written.
 
This is my second year with my 2010 ec250 yes it did take a bit to set it up, but I really like doing the research and work. before that it was ktm for about five years. I love my gasgas it has given me a new passion for riding just about everyone I ride with is a huge ktm fan.
I kind of like this review because it means that they will all stay on them and I will be the only one to knows how great a bike can be, My gasser corners, handle, and just feels better it may be heaver but I don't really care because I am not picking it up, and I am faster then anyone it the tecky stuff ( mostly from trials riding ) That being said I don't sell bikes or have any stock in the company.
 
estwudsracer said:
Forsyth County-30 min. north of Atlanta. I race the SORCS series in Ga., Tenn. its alot of fun. I havent raced SETRA in a while but I always liked the shootout. Racing guys from other series is fun and I like Clanton. Alabama is beautiful. I also am in the "old man" class. Will be 45 this year. Hopefully we will run into each other sometime.
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I am about 20-30minutes East of you in Gwinnett CO.
I will be in the GrandPappy class in a couple of years, currently in the 45B. This year has thrown a lot of hurdles in the way and have not been able to race as much as I wanted to with SORCS.

Were you at the Ride For Kids this spring @ Aonia?
I would like to get in on the GA/AL old guy ride too.
 
wrench said:
I am about 20-30minutes East of you in Gwinnett CO.
I will be in the GrandPappy class in a couple of years, currently in the 45B. This year has thrown a lot of hurdles in the way and have not been able to race as much as I wanted to with SORCS.

Were you at the Ride For Kids this spring @ Aonia?
I would like to get in on the GA/AL old guy ride too.
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COOL! And yes-I recognize your username from BUMPGa. I know the Nortons pretty well. I will be in your class next year! Im currently 2nd in points in 40-B, but I will probly end up 3rd at the end of the year. (unless I find another gear!)
Yes, I was at the Ride for Kids @ Aonia. I rode by myself all day, the other guys I knew that were there like to sit around and talk more than ride. I have to say I was very dissapointed in the trail this year that was laid out by Art Vandelay ;)
The "Cross Country Shootout" is promoted by SETRA, MIDSOUTH, and SERA. AMA membership is required to race. When SETRA comes out with their new schedule in August-we will have to see when the date is. Its usually in January. (COLD)
Do you know any good places to ride?
 
Weighed my '07 gasser and a friends '11 gasser a few days a go on a certified digital scale, the '07 weighed in at 260 with a full tank of gas, bib mousse in the front, hd tube rear and full armor(skid plate, hand guards, rad guards), friends '11 weighed just under 250 full tank of gas bone stock. We also weighed another friends Husky WR 300 '11, it weighed 254 with a full tank.
 
Yep, that would be me.
I think I spent some time chatting with you about your bike at Aonia. I was on my 300[blue] and my buddy was on my 250[red].

WoW, we are hijacking this topic. I will PM you my thoughts on that.
 
Binni said:
Weighed my '07 gasser and a friends '11 gasser a few days a go on a certified digital scale, the '07 weighed in at 260 with a full tank of gas, bib mousse in the front, hd tube rear and full armor(skid plate, hand guards, rad guards), friends '11 weighed just under 250 full tank of gas bone stock. We also weighed another friends Husky WR 300 '11, it weighed 254 with a full tank.
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Thanks for posting those "real world" weights, binni. DR must not have got a "kick back" from GasGas. They had to give the Beta a high mark just to save credibility from naming it the BOY. Something smells rotten in that mag.
 
Likely nobody wants to hear it here, but I love my Beta 300. And will still come back to this site because it's the absolute BEST!!!
 
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