EC200R vs EC250R (2012 model)
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Jakobi
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I'm really hoping you can get a 200 to try out for me...my fingers are crossed for ya. Good luck. I'm getting ready to make my 08 CR144 Husky a 165 and it may be exactly what I'm looking for if not I'll be getting the 2012 GG 200 to test for you.
I find it amusing that we both joined the forum around the same time, with our 2010 EC300's. Both continue to report the same things, and both are looking at downsizing. I'm fairly confident given the rest of our ramblings that eachothers ride reports would sit well with eachother also.
Time will tell all I spose. While I'm waiting I'm going to head out for a quick squirt this arv!
jdtriplett
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Well you've got 10 years and 10kg on me....haha Which is after I put on 10kg after I broke my arm... haha.
Anyway.
I'm pretty sure my 07 has the 38mm carb, with the screw top, and its jetted really fat compared to the bigger bores, 180/50 I think and a rich needle on a rich clip.
I lowered the squish to 1.7-1.8 using gaskets, ports seemed about right. You could probably go tighter, as a reference I run my 125 at 0.8mm.
I can either ride in the power band in 2nd between the trees, or out of the band in 3rd with 13:50 sprockets. I barely ever get in trouble from having too much power, take that for what its worth. When the band comes on the bike just becomes super responsive, not as though it just got an extra 10hp and wants to rip your head off any chance it gets. It really is easy to ride in the power band.
No worries
Ha Ha @ 40 yrs and 98 kg I am better than ever.. Many scars and lots of stories I have always been 6'+" and You have nothing but more management to do when you get older ......
fletchman45
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I guess after riding alot of bikes and riding a Husky 150 for the last two years and having a couple of Gas Gas 200's and a boat load of Husky 250's I'm upsizing to a Gas Gas 300 and for now not looking back. But I will refuse to short shift it and ride low in the RPM's to get around. Believe me riding a smallbore is also no easy task and to do so fast (My best is 12th overall out of 140 riders) Is a VERY INTENSE mission!! The best thing about a smallbore is when you come screaming and pass a 250 or bigger bike!! A 250 2 stroke is probably the BEST do it all bike, however Hall's had no 250's so I guess I will give the 300 a try! Truth is, feels alot like my older Husky 250 engine!! A $1,000 cheaper is alot of cash flow to spend on acc for the 200! I have and 05 200 with jd jetting and it feels pretty nice. Just wanted something different. The Husky 300 Kicks WAY WAY harder then the Gas Gas 300 or a Husky 250 and the things are way to tall and the engine is a Handful. The Gasser feels smoooooth and fast at the same time but not overwheming at all! I am hoping and banking to be faster on the 300 then a 200 or 250 or 150. The fact the Gasser 200 uses the same frame and not a lighter one sways me from a new 200. Grab a 250.
Jakobi
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Blast from the past...
I never ended up getting a 2012 200R, or a 2013 200R. I did however bomb the 2010 Euro model from a stockish trimmed 300 to a modified 250 with TTX both ends. After putting in some serious seat time I'm thinking its the perfect size also. I don't see the 200 offering any real benefits and may feel a bit underwhelming at times. The 250 has brought my pace and skill set up much more. I may even consider bolting a 300 top end back on at some point, but for now its 250 all the way!!
2014 may see a new bike hit the stable. Probably another 250, or a 200 if price is right... might be a Sherco 250T yet too.. Hmm
I never ended up getting a 2012 200R, or a 2013 200R. I did however bomb the 2010 Euro model from a stockish trimmed 300 to a modified 250 with TTX both ends. After putting in some serious seat time I'm thinking its the perfect size also. I don't see the 200 offering any real benefits and may feel a bit underwhelming at times. The 250 has brought my pace and skill set up much more. I may even consider bolting a 300 top end back on at some point, but for now its 250 all the way!!
2014 may see a new bike hit the stable. Probably another 250, or a 200 if price is right... might be a Sherco 250T yet too.. Hmm
Would love to confirm some optimum squish and compression figures from some in the know. It seems the 200 has a bigger 'unknown factor' than the 250/300 and this is about the only fault i can pick at the moment.
In the case of a 200 aiming for approx 13.5:1 UCCR you'd want a trapped volume of 16cc.
squish +- 1mm
this info came from :
http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14052
thread i started before cutting my head of the 200.
i too came from a 300 and that was too much of a bike for me.
ciao, Hannes.
In the case of a 200 aiming for approx 13.5:1 UCCR you'd want a trapped volume of 16cc.
squish +- 1mm
this info came from :
http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14052
thread i started before cutting my head of the 200.
i too came from a 300 and that was too much of a bike for me.
ciao, Hannes.
Jakobi
Super Moderator
Hannes.
The optimum squish clearance is the one just before the piston touches the head Considering these bikes don't rev to the moon (compared to say a track bike) you'll have no issues running 1mm squish. The larger engines require more clearance. Thats a topic on its own.
The CR you choose will be based on your fuels. I covered that in your other thread. With 13.5:1 you should be able to run on 95RON but would probably be better using 98. Higher CR will give better throttle response. Too much compression and not enough octane will cause issues. Increasing the compression ratio will also give some boost to lower and mid range response, but will inhibit the engines ability to over rev as much.
The optimum squish clearance is the one just before the piston touches the head
Considering these bikes don't rev to the moon (compared to say a track bike) you'll have no issues running 1mm squish. The larger engines require more clearance. Thats a topic on its own.The CR you choose will be based on your fuels. I covered that in your other thread. With 13.5:1 you should be able to run on 95RON but would probably be better using 98. Higher CR will give better throttle response. Too much compression and not enough octane will cause issues. Increasing the compression ratio will also give some boost to lower and mid range response, but will inhibit the engines ability to over rev as much.
Hannes.
The optimum squish clearance is the one just before the piston touches the head
The CR you choose will be based on your fuels. I covered that in your other thread. With 13.5:1 you should be able to run on 95RON but would probably be better using 98. Higher CR will give better throttle response. Too much compression and not enough octane will cause issues. Increasing the compression ratio will also give some boost to lower and mid range response, but will inhibit the engines ability to over rev as much.
Jakobi,
yes thank you for giving me this great info on the numbers for my 200.
i was just trying to share this info, i was mistaken because i thought the guy asking for these numbers on the 200 in this topic wasn't you
ciao, Hannes.
Jakobi
Super Moderator
No worries Hannes.
Year old thread now
Back before I went all silly converting my 300 into a 250 and going through the learning curve myself. Certainly hope it helps a few people along the way.
PS. 2014 will be another year for another bike. With Sherco, Beta, and GasGas all offering 2T's its going to come down to who has the best overall package (fuel, suspension, looks, balance, and price) and bikes available when I'm ready to buy! I can't wait to see the time come.
Year old thread now
Back before I went all silly converting my 300 into a 250 and going through the learning curve myself. Certainly hope it helps a few people along the way.PS. 2014 will be another year for another bike. With Sherco, Beta, and GasGas all offering 2T's its going to come down to who has the best overall package (fuel, suspension, looks, balance, and price) and bikes available when I'm ready to buy! I can't wait to see the time come.
