Enduro Cross on Speed

[cladoo]

I may as well be the first to start a post here. Did anyone see the Vegas race on Speed yesterday. I looked pretty gnarly! Taddy sure pushed Knighter enough to p**s him off that he ghosted his bike over the tire jump! He sure seemed ticked off in the interview after. Our racing association this year is having a 4 race endurocross series this coming year! It should be great! We had one event last year called Corner Grass that was a hit, unfortunately I couldn't make it. Here is the link to the site for some highlights and what the course looked like.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=142034050947764389&q=corner
And here is a helmet cam video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jaf0diNrcd8

 

[REVERUP]

Saw it.
Knight was disgusted cause his team mate cost him $50 grand, by not letting him win the triple crown.

Thanks for the links I've seen those grass tracks before they look super cool and very fun.

 

[Bandit9]

What is the fascination with EnduroX???? I find it boring, synthetic, lame, sort of like football on astro turf in a domed stadium, ie w/o substance.

Enduro belongs in the woods on singletrack, in the weather, w/o laps, unknown NATURAL obstacles around every corner, no spectators, no tractor tires or telephone poles, no PA announcer splitting my ear drums with crap, no prima donnas crying over money, no idea where you are going, no idea how long you will be riding, only a clock, an odometer, the mud, trees, rocks, scorecards, arrows, hills, logs, mountains, leaves, vines, thorns, ruts, roots, blood, pain, ice, fog, snow, heat, humidity, checkpoints, 2 trees 30" apart without bark handlebar high on each one, mile markers, getting lost, alternate lines, creeks, streams, rivers, clay, deserts, rain, sand, whoops, bruises, cuts on your neck, leaves, pine straw, broken fenders, broken handguards, broken bones, broken hearts, sweat, dehydration, questions of "WHY", tears, self doubt, resilency, courage, and finally.......................

THE FINISH!

WHERE IS MY BEER!!!!!!!

LONG LIVE THE REAL ENDURO!!!!

 

[hudson_hollow]

What he said!!! Yeah!!! Of course, enduros are for us, the riders. Endurocross is so the coutch potatos can watch us ride.

 

[REVERUP]

What is the fascination with EnduroX???? I find it boring, synthetic, lame, sort of like football on astro turf in a domed stadium, ie w/o substance.

Enduro belongs in the woods on singletrack, in the weather, w/o laps, unknown NATURAL obstacles around every corner, no spectators, no tractor tires or telephone poles, no PA announcer splitting my ear drums with crap, no prima donnas crying over money, no idea where you are going, no idea how long you will be riding, only a clock, an odometer, the mud, trees, rocks, scorecards, arrows, hills, logs, mountains, leaves, vines, thorns, ruts, roots, blood, pain, ice, fog, snow, heat, humidity, checkpoints, 2 trees 30" apart without bark handlebar high on each one, mile markers, getting lost, alternate lines, creeks, streams, rivers, clay, deserts, rain, sand, whoops, bruises, cuts on your neck, leaves, pine straw, broken fenders, broken handguards, broken bones, broken hearts, sweat, dehydration, questions of "WHY", tears, self doubt, resilency, courage, and finally.......................

THE FINISH!

WHERE IS MY BEER!!!!!!!

LONG LIVE THE REAL ENDURO!!!!

I really enjoyed reading this.

The fascination is, drum roll please...CARNAGE! People want to see lots of CARNAGE! They want broken bikes and bodies littered all over the stadium. They want to see the worlds best Enduro racers look human. Carnage sells and big names are drawn in by big bucks. Enduro X is only gonna grow, they have been doing indoor enduros in europe for years. Its extreme and extreme sports entertain and fill seats.

 

[MattR]

I like watching the endurocross much better than supercross. Supercross is pretty boring with Reed and Stewart as easy winners. I like the endurocross because it is more unpredictable. Sure the course is small and obstacles extreme, but the same rider could go from 1st to 5th quickly with a stupid mistake. It sounds like for this year there are plans for more races (even in Columbus, OH). If it comes to Ohio, I plan to make the journey to see some mayhem.

 

[Bandit9]

Cladoo, my post was not aimed at you, just all the hype surrounding indoor stuff. I think Stupidcross sucks too. We are all free to like what we want.

 

[cladoo]

No offense taken Blanco. I've been riding and racing since 1974 and when I see any motorcycle TV coverage I get a little excited because back then we used to have to wait once a year just to see one race on the tube, that being the USGP from Carlsbad. I don't care much for Supercross or the Endurocross but I'll watch it. But in all honesty I'd rather be riding.

 

[jyellard]

Saw it.
Knight was disgusted cause his team mate cost him $50 grand, by not letting him win the triple crown.

Thanks for the links I've seen those grass tracks before they look super cool and very fun.

I don't think his team mate cost him $50 grand, Knight didn't earn the $50 grand by winning the race.

 

[REVERUP]

I don't think his team mate cost him $50 grand, Knight didn't earn the $50 grand by winning the race.

You got that right! He didn't earn it and thought he had it in the bag.
David's actions afterwords proved he thought his teammate should have let him win and that he cost him the $50 grand. All the coverage I've seen of the post race festivities David is a pissed off poor sport pouting in the interviews and podium.

But hey thats a lot of cash, that would suck to have the win and cash in your grasp and watch it slip away. But he shouldn't expect someone to throw a race for his gain, teammate or not!

This isn't Boxing or Hollywood its racing.

Roscoe

 

[Bandit9]

I used to be a Knight fan, after his child like reaction in Vegas, I don't feel the same connection to him. I still respect his talent and ability, but now I hope he loses. I was openly rooting for Taddy at LMS. From what I was feeling from the crowd, they were rooting for Taddy too! Dude messed up in Vegas.....

 

[Bandit9]

What he should have done was offer Taddy a "bonus" before the race to let him win the $50K bonus. I'm sure he didn't believe anyone could beat him though.

 

[Link]

What is the fascination with EnduroX???? I find it boring, synthetic, lame, sort of like football on astro turf in a domed stadium, ie w/o substance.

Enduro belongs in the woods on singletrack, in the weather, w/o laps, unknown NATURAL obstacles around every corner, no spectators, no tractor tires or telephone poles, no PA announcer splitting my ear drums with crap, no prima donnas crying over money, no idea where you are going, no idea how long you will be riding, only a clock, an odometer, the mud, trees, rocks, scorecards, arrows, hills, logs, mountains, leaves, vines, thorns, ruts, roots, blood, pain, ice, fog, snow, heat, humidity, checkpoints, 2 trees 30" apart without bark handlebar high on each one, mile markers, getting lost, alternate lines, creeks, streams, rivers, clay, deserts, rain, sand, whoops, bruises, cuts on your neck, leaves, pine straw, broken fenders, broken handguards, broken bones, broken hearts, sweat, dehydration, questions of "WHY", tears, self doubt, resilency, courage, and finally.......................

THE FINISH!

WHERE IS MY BEER!!!!!!!

LONG LIVE THE REAL ENDURO!!!!

Well......I woulda agreed with ya a few years ago.....But I went to the EC in Vegas 3 years ago as a spectator and I have never seen better bar none the best racing I've ever seen. The whole Arena were on there feet hooting & hollering & hardly anybody knew the racers cause there always out in the woods not getten much love. I've been to all sorts of MC racing over the last 30 years, I've seen MX seventies style all the way thru to the SX race in SF 2 weeks ago, Moto GP races 500cc 2 strokes, 990cc 4 bangers , World SuperBikes, AMA road racing, Falt tracks & a lot of local club racing, I don't think very many guys have the skill or balls to race that EC course and it is a blast to watch in person. I didn't see the TV version but seeing it live was a thrill. I rode my 1'st Enduro in 1980 & plan on riding a few more while I still can and would never trade it for EC. I'm not easily impressed but that vegas EC made me a BIG fan.

 

[LAWMAN]

I find that I must respectfully disagree with my friend B9 & the other EX haters. I rode my 1st enduro in '74, & I'll keep riding them as long as they still have them & my old body holds out (or gas gets to $10/gallon & I can't afford to drive to them). But this isn't about what I'll be riding.

I'll never ride an EX, or LMS either, but I love to watch them, I get to see the pros on the good stuff, which ordinarily I'd never get to see, & it beats the hell out of anything else on TV. wish it would come close enough for me to see live....

 

[MattR]

Here is the 2008 Schedule (6 races total):
http://www.endurocross.com/index2.htm

Here are the new rules for 2008:
http://www.endurocross.com/raceinformation2008.htm

Here are a couple of rules that I found interesting:

• Trials bikes allowed in only the new Trialcross class. Note wheelbase of under 55”
• Trials tires allowed in ONLY the new Trialcross class. NOT any other classes.
• Ghost riding of any motorcycle will call for an immediate disqualification.

This last one is aimed at David Knight.

 

[Link]

I think the new rules SUCK ! (except the ghost riding one) of the most exicting things about the EC was watching the guys "run what ya brung" and a lot of people that never even new what a Trials bike looked like got to see em race & do really well. I think Maxxis did not like spending hundreds of thousands of dollars & watch some guy who brought his trials bike to the race in (passenger car no less) & with out Maxxis tires on it school the Maxxis sponsered riders on the Maxxis built track. That happened in 07 & the crowd went nuts for this guy. I think there making a mistake but there job is selling tires not pleasing the crowd. I don't even think Maxxis makes a real trials tire. I don't blame Knight for ghost riding I read an article & could belive how much this guy does for KTM for so little money.

 

[dlwheaton06]

Money

Money and big corporation will make the rules in any sport that brings it to our living room.this trend started in the early 70s and has ruled ever after. My father raced until the factory started putting ridders on next years equipment that was not avaliable, has anything changed? How many KTM,s have you seen in SX this year? The jap market will not stand ANY company in there pocket, If you can win they will buy you, remember #800 He rides the yellow mans bike now.

 

[Bandit9]

Lawman, I see where you are coming from.

Just for the record, LMS is great in my book. Just the indoor stuff I don't care for. Maybe I can relate to LMS more b/c I have actually ridden there a few times. I don't see too many tractor tire jumps out in the Forest. You know?

 

[cdn280]

I just watched it and didn't think the move made by Taddy was very 'friendly' considering he has been practice riding with Knight regularly and they call each other friends. I read or heard that they had discussed a strategy before the race (if Knight was leading, Taddy would block like a team member, and if Taddy was the definitive leader, Knight would do the same) Knight took a different line when the pass was made and it looked like he slowed for a second too (maybe to avoid hitting Taddy, maybe just for the show, but who knows). But then Taddy made a run for it and was making mistakes and taking chances riding over his head to stay out front. If there was a plan (and who wouldn't with $50K on the line), time will tell if the risk was worth it for Taddy, or if he just got greedy for his first indoor win.
Don't write off Knight yet. When he is pissed he is even more determined to not make any mistakes.