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We have a Toyota Camry and it's the bee's knee's for a car. It's the first car that only gets brakes and oil changes. Ours is a 2004 and still drives like new. We were thinking of replacing it but after driving everything from Ridge line's to CRV's, Rav 4's, Venza and so on, guess what we ended up liking the most for a family car. The new Camry, so we are just keeping the one we have. We didn't really see the draw to Honda at all. My work van is a Ford and I must say it has been the least expensive work van to date, both for fuel and service. GM needs to wake up. I have been pondering getting a 1/2 ton pick up for personal use and after driving them all but the Toyota, I am leaning towards a ford. Very nice truck. How is the Toyota on fuel Glen?
 
I have a '10 5.7L Crew Max, the big boy. Two kids and two pitbulls in the back seat no problem. Plenty of power, smooth and fast. Its my daily driver, and on my 32 mile backroad commute, I average 15 - 15.5 mpg, better on highway. I've done 13mpg pulling a large popup fully loaded (3500 - 4000 lbs.) plus two bikes in the bed. Thats pretty good for a heavy 380+ HP truck, and better than I got with '01 4.7L Tundra it replaced. That truck went 238K and was sold in great shape for $6K. The newer Tundra is built kind of between a 150 and a 250 if you look at all the running gear and hardware. If you need any more truck than this, get a diesel.
 
Our parts guy had a Tundra, still under warranty with a severe engine knock.
The Toyota dealer kept blowing him off, saying it was normal. So he traded it on a Ford F1450 with the EcoBoost V6.
He's getting around 19mpg.
 
When I got mine in March '10, biggest V8 in the Ford F150 was the 5.4L Triton. No match for the newer Toyota in power and the same or worse on gas. I did a lot of research and there was a fair share of trans issues and some other minor stuff. In the end you go with what you know, and I just felt better about the Toyota having had more than a few over the years with good service. I drive the crap out of my vehicles, and generally keep them a long time. I also don't have the time to keep going back to a dealer to get little issues fixed. This is what I like about the Toyota and all my previous Toyotas, they rarely go back. I'm at 62K miles now and the truck has been flawless so far. Nothing is perfect but so far so good. One thing I really liked about the Ford was how the back seat folds up against the back. Mine reclines, and the back folds down on top of the bench, but it also unbolts real easy and there is a lot more room in the cab than the Ford. That Ecoboost is an interesting motor, but I'd like to see some go 200K first.

Getting way off topic here. I could move this to a truck thread.
 
Found out a bit more about this..... GG will be producing Ossa's in the GG factory with GG engines but a different frame and plastic. The DI bike is nowhere near close to production. Prolly the same suspension as on the GG now. It gives GG more buying power with their suppliers and keeps Ossa from investing in a bigger factory.
 
I have a question for you guys : Would you buy a bike like an Ossa, with limited or perhaps no dealer support? What if it (and parts) was sold direct from the importer? Think they could do business like that, assuming it was a great bike? Just wondering, got to be tough starting from scratch now.
 
jpelaston said:
This, and the fact that ford has really turned things around as far as offering really nice, thought out vehicles, is why they are the only US car company that will see my $$ from now on.
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+1
Ford earned my respect these past few years.
 
Clay said:
Found out a bit more about this..... GG will be producing Ossa's in the GG factory with GG engines but a different frame and plastic. The DI bike is nowhere near close to production. Prolly the same suspension as on the GG now. It gives GG more buying power with their suppliers and keeps Ossa from investing in a bigger factory.
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That is good news in a way. The GG name will be even more known. Bad new about DI though. I was hoping to start seeing that in bikes sooner rather than later.
 
I beleive that prototype was EFI, not DI. Much simpler but a first on a 2stroke dirt bike.
 
GMP said:
I beleive that prototype was EFI, not DI. Much simpler but a first on a 2stroke dirt bike.
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Not really sure about the configuration but I was under the impression that the Ossa was ready for production pretty soon. Might have been a little smoke and mirrors thing going on there.
 
The pics and description were of a laid down cylinder, high underseat pipe, 2stroke EFI motor. Who knows if they even ever built it?:confused: Could have been a mock up.
 
I've always been surprised that EFI hasn't been mounted on 2t dirtbikes til now. It's been widely used on snowmbiles since at least '94 and they run in environments just as tough as what bikes do. Arctic cat came out with a clever batteryless efi in 95 that worked like a charm. I always thought that type of system would be perfect for bikes.
 
Well, EFI won't solve the pending emmissions problems 2strokes face in the future, which DI looks promising to do and makes it worth the investment. IMO, 2stroke EFI will just add complexity with less of a return. It makes more sense on the 4strokes, as they are plagued with hot start/carb issues, where the 2stroke is not. DI will also make a lot more power in a 2stroke. Let the experts shake out the bugs, it will come when it is ready.
 
I emailed OSSA and was informed that the 300i on the forthcoming Enduro model is Direct Injection and not EFI. No throttle body. The email also stated that the bike will be in the USA Q4-12 or Q1-2013. That is maybe an optimistic time line. Who knows.

As I understand it DI in a 2T is actually cleaner and more efficient than an EFI 4T.

Here is some DI info.

https://www.sae.org/mags/AEI/POWER/8157


http://www.speed-sports.com/motorscooters/scooter_models/aprilia_scooters/ditech.html

http://twostrokemotocross.com/2010/09/two-stroke-fuel-injection-is-here-now/
 
Thats new news then. I agree on the optimistic part. Orbital are the guys on the front of the DI curve.
 
GMP said:
Thats new news then. I agree on the optimistic part. Orbital are the guys on the front of the DI curve.
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They did a research for FORD some year's ago , they planted a 2ST DI engine in a Ford Fiesta but it did not went forward.

Honda also has a DI engine they used in the prototype EXP-2 for Baja/Dakar. Then they decided to kill all 2ST...
 
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