New Husqvarna 300 Two Stroke Factory Bike

[JP4]

I just saw that the format is for 200cc-300cc 2strokes. So really anyone can play.

I wasn't aware Honda, Suzuki, and Kawasaki are still selling the 2 strokes in other markets. Is this true?

I think I read somewhere that Suzuki still sells the RM 125/250 in some markets - a warmed over version like Yamaha does.

The best news is the announcement of a 300 cc 2-t FIM Championship - even if it is run by Giuseppe Luongo. People love to hear a 2-t at full song on a MX track - see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOSuMf5eT0w.

Hopefully it spurs a manufacturer to build a 350-400cc 2-t that can run with the 4-t 450 on a MX track!

Let's be honest, if anybody builds that bike it will be KTM - they have the resources and history of taking the plunge into unknown displacement segments.

Good times indeed!

 

[nambo-trev]

There was talk in last months dirtrider that ktm has the 2 stroke DI already available but is sitting on it and waiting for yes wait for it...... Honda to release there already developed 2 stroker DI motor. Also implying why they would release the DI motor when people are still gobling up the carbureted motors.

 

[desertgasser300]

I get it....always that10%...right!

Always! What good is a forum if you can't throw ideas back and forth.

 

[JP4]

But Honda hates 2ts ...

This bike is some kind of FI 2t, and finished the Dakar in the mid 90's I believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOSuMf5eT0w

 

[Bandit9]

I don't imply to be very motor savy, but besides the cleaner burn which the OEMs care about, what performance gain will DI bring to the market? I'm not going to buy a DI 2 stroke unless it does something better than the current stuff.

With all the millions of weed eaters and blowers running daily, I fail to see the harm a few dirt bikes do on the weekends....

 

[JP4]

I don't imply to be very motor savy, but besides the cleaner burn which the OEMs care about, what performance gain will DI bring to the market? I'm not going to buy a DI 2 stroke unless it does something better than the current stuff.

With all the millions of weed eaters and blowers running daily, I fail to see the harm a few dirt bikes do on the weekends....

I concur. Lots of stink out there otherwise, and I get by just fine with a well jetted carb.

After watching a buddy DNF the last few races due to EFI issues that he can't seem to get a hold of on a 4t Berg 450, I don't want FI.

But, if DFI can clean up emissions it is one less reason the Greenies have to attack us. I think for the Cali guys it is the only way they will ride a new 2t on public lands going forward.

Maybe the SmartCarb will be our saviour?

 

[zeuszuki]

Don't the Japanese (minus Honda) still sell 2t mx'ers worldwide?

PlusOnePerformance

No, just Yamaha.

 

[gasser]

I don't imply to be very motor savy, but besides the cleaner burn which the OEMs care about, what performance gain will DI bring to the market? I'm not going to buy a DI 2 stroke unless it does something better than the current stuff.

With all the millions of weed eaters and blowers running daily, I fail to see the harm a few dirt bikes do on the weekends....

Direct injection (D.I.) is very different than the common throttle body fuel injection (F.I. or E.F.I.) we see on 4strokes. As I understand it D.I. motors inject raw fuel inside the motor whereas E.F.I. motors mix fuel with air in the intake. Apparently D.I. requires much higher injection pressure to properly atomize the fuel. E.F.I. is an external system that can be added to any dirt bike but D.I. has to be built into the motor. With D.I. the exhaust port and how it works is also much different and more complicated. I won't try to explain it but the bottom line is very little unburned fuel makes it out the exhaust - better fuel burn means more power, less emissions and better mileage. It also eliminates the need for an expansion chamber - the pipe can be an ordinary straight pipe like a 4stroke.

 

[Anders]

It also eliminates the need for an expansion chamber - the pipe can be an ordinary straight pipe like a 4stroke.

Is that so? Not that I actually know D.I. twostrokes, but the ones I have seen (on paper, at least) seem to have an expansion camber. Bimota Vdue comes to mind, as well as Aprilia's SR50 scooter.
I would think that the expansion chamber in any case would have an effect in the (clean air) filling of the cylinder?

 

[erniebearskin]

Loss of expansion chamber means loss of a power band which means significantly less fun on a 2 stroke.

 

[Bandit9]

So really the only real benefit to the consumer, unless you are the rare 2stroke owner/activist, is that OEM's are more inclined to produce a cleaner DI 2stroke, thus creating competition, thus more resources for R&D, thus better bikes for us long term.....

In the very short term, like next 2014, there is no benefit.

Am I off base here?

 

[erniebearskin]

DI would also would also do away with jetting BS. Jakobi will be awfully bored!!

 

[Hawkeye]

If your going to bash....start your own thread! if not, offer some insight to the current topic!

I'm always one to offer constructive criticism to GG about how to make their product more competitive, and after a decade of saying the same things, I guess my message gets more strident to reach deaf Spanish ears. I hope the factory monitors this board, as it would confirm what improvements they need to make, as they haven't been very keen on accepting that the need for change and the pace for change is accelerating.

I think Husky will sell a lot of bikes in the US, if they offer a product that is 1) different enough from KTM, 2) that meets modern standards of quality expected in today's market, 3) has a strong dealer network that is backed with detailed technical support, and efficient parts delivery and warranty, and attractive dealer financing for bikes. The forth major part of being successful in selling a lot of bikes (at least in the US) is a comprehensive marketing plan that includes demo rides, some sponsorship of pro riders, and getting the bikes out to the market at the same time competitors do.

I think KTM has all of the resources to do just that for the Husky brand, while GG has the first item completely covered, and is hopefully improving on the second. IMHO GG needs to really step up on the third and forth items.

I could ride any of the brands today and be competitive, after ergonomic and suspension setup for me. I'm not fast enough to even come close to their performance limits of any of the KTM's, GG's, Beta's, whatever. I'll just state my main point I've been harping on for a decade - the GG factory needs to step up and help their US distributor gain back market share and improve the brand image to avoid being relegated to a minor exotic brand here.

The owners of Husky intended to buy low and sell high, they got a deal from BMW and they saw a way to increase Husky's sales and do so profitably. Where will those sales come from? Some die hard Husky fans (regardless of technology), some who left the brand, some from other brands, and very few from new buyers that have never owned a dirt bike before.

Fire away...

 

[Bandit9]

Hawk, don't take this the wrong way, but is any of that a surprise to you? Some companies are what they are. GG is consistent. They always take a few steps forward, then a number of steps back and in, some cases, no step at all. Despite all of that, the bike itself is still a great handling bike once debugged and dialed. If you like, buy, if you don't like, don't.

It's becoming trollish on your part.

 

[Hawkeye]

Trollish, I hadn't thought of that...

Went to Urban Dictionary to make sure I understood what that meant. Found several definitions. Did you mean by trollish that I'm "One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument."

Or, "One of many unsung internet heroes who are almost entirely misunderstood. Contrary to popular belief, many trolls are actually quite intelligent. Their habitual attacks on forums is usually a result of their awareness of the pretentiousness and excessive self-importance of many forum enthusiasts. As much as people may hate trolls, they are highly effective - their actions bring much of the stupidity of other forum users out into the great wide open."

I still own a GG and for some reason would still like to see them succeed more. I probably should move on from that state of being.

 

[Bandit9]

Who am I to get in the way of progress? If it means they will fix all that stuff, then go for it man. Just mix in a little positive stuff so we don't think crazy trollish thoughts on your part.

 

[swazi_matt]

Well I see Letti decided that he may as well call a spade a spade and has joined ktm

 

[Darkside]

C'mon guys. they even said the 2014 Huskys will be rebadged Husabergs until Husky has time to developed their own technologies. Undoubtely off a KTM platform.

 

[Jakobi]

DI would also would also do away with jetting BS. Jakobi will be awfully bored!!

This one slipped past me.. No time for me to be bored Always got something to keep the noggin tickin over.. That smart carb kept me busier than the PWK ever did.

Back on topic. Lets see more pictures.

Not sure why people get upset by Hawkeyes posts.. He makes some valid points.. Sometimes it looks like he's all praise for the other brands, and all about bagging the ggs, but I don't see it like that. I just think he's a bit frustrated in seeing the same issues year in and year out. Truth is all brands have them, so pick a colour and be happy. The new husky has nice colours, but is nothing more than a ktm.. and ktm ergo's don't work for me. When the time comes to upgrade it won't even be a consideration. Sherco, GG or heaven forbid, Beta.. will all be very valid options.

 

[Bandit9]

If the clutch drags, the needle is way off, it has a engine and swing arm that adds 20 pounds to the old Husaberg chassis, and it comes out 3 months after the competition's bikes hit the market, it may have an audience here!

This isn't antagonistic/trollish? In a Gas Gas forum?


If bitching on a forum ever changed how GG built a bike, then we would all been on 200lb DI FI Wide Ratio Auto Clutched Adjustable PV from the factory 2 strokes for 10 years now.

They don't listen to their importer or their dealers, and they surely don't listen to us on this forum. So all this so called "crusade" to get them to change is just noise in the system and negativity.