REAL weight of 06 or 07 EC300

[Skidad]

Anyone weighed their 06 or 07 (or even the 08) without fuel to get an actual real world weight???

Here is what Gas Gas lists for weights.

06 300 103kg which = 227 lbs
07 300 99kg which = 218.2 lbs
08 300 98kg which = 216 lbs

The Austrailian Dirt Bike Magazine test review that I linked to from this site lists the 07 EC300 at 109.5kg WITHOUT fuel which = 241.4 lbs

We're talking a difference of anywhere from 14.4lbs to 23.2lbs here. That allot of difference AND weight.

I want to know the REAL weight of one of these things before I buy one. I'm not going to replace my 250lb KTM with a 241lb bike no matter how "light feeling" the thing is. Just not acceptable in my book. I'll buy the 227lb KTM with the e-start I'm sorry. I would REALLY hope the GG bike is under 230lbs real world weight without fuel. I don't believe for a second the 08 218lb claim but if it's true that's AWESOME. Even if it's measured without the light package.

In all fairness they also listed the e-start KTM at 107.1kg which = 236.1 lbs. which I know is wrong by almost 10 lbs. The KTM is a very light bike for real in the mid 220's. Their 200XC/W is under 210lbs also.

So what's the "real deal" here with the weight


Skidad in MA

 

[Link]

Good luck with the real weight on the bikes unless you can find a shoot-out where the testers weigh each bike with the same amount fuel in each one, there is a sport bike rag that weighs each bike on the same scale w/the same amount of fuel in each one and the results are eye opening to say the least about manufacture weight claims. As you pointed out the 14.4lbs. diiff. in a bike that weighs under 240lbs. is BS and really dosn't help the consumer at all. in sport bikes the claimed weight & real world weight can be 3 to 4 times that. Some manf. have claimed dry weights without even the batt. being installed?? Then no one knows exactly what "claimed dry weight" means is that just fuel or tran. oil or fork oil or batt/batt. with out water? Any way I'll keep my eye on this thread just see if any body knows what these bikes really weigh.

 

[ScottyR]

When a manufacturer lists dry weight, they mean DRY. No fork oil, no engine oil, no coolant, no shock oil, NOTHING!

 

[jeffd]

The 241 pound weight with no fuel sounds close - for a fully street legal trimmed EC300. The DOT legal tires add about 5 pounds to the weight of the bike over a michelin s12 off road only tire. All of the electrics and taillight add another few pounds. The heavier ignition adds a bit... It all adds up. Most of the '06s and '07s in country are DE models that do not have all this equipment. GasGas in the U.S. has sometimes sent new bikes in crates to the magazines with the DOT legal knobbies etc. so that they were in "euro street legal" trim and didn't set them up at all - really foolish if you ask me..

Your weights listed for ktm are "dry weights" and are total fantasy... Honda must have been sued by someone recently - they are now listing "curb weights" for all their bikes - weight with fluids and fuel - but even those look 10-15 pounds shy to me. Very rarely will a magazine pull out it's own scale - and when they do they will sometimes go along with the lies to help out the manufacturer who is paying them for advertising...

If you are greatly concerned about weight - look for an '07 - the redesigned subframe/tail section is lighter and they don't come with all the street legal gear, etc.

And I know everyone says it - but a gasgas does feel lighter than anything else out there. Why? Tighter steering geometry and the low/compact perimeter frame keeps mass centralized where it falls easily into a corner and you can flick it around. I had a euro spec 2001 ec300 - it wasn't light - it came in full street legal trim and gasgas has since lightened up the engine & frame by a noticable amount -> but every one of my friends who rode it said it was the lightest feeling big bore they had ever ridden and were quite amazed. And this was riding in tight & mucky northwest woods...

I have said this many times - but a few friends had ktms and it felt like I was riding "on top of them" after hopping off the gasgas. It felt like a "blunt instrument" versus a "surgical instrument"...

Bottom line is that you need to ride a gasgas 300 that is set up for off road. After that, you won't be worrying so much!


jeff

 

[cladoo]

Too many people worry about a couple of pounds. Ride it, then make a decision. The '07/'08's are lighter than the '06's and your old KTM.

 

[fury1]

we ride with a guy who let me try out his 08 ktm 300e-start,very very nice ride,would love to throw a leg over an 08 gasser,maybe he would let you take it for a spin? I could ask,you could compare my 06 gasser to his 08 ktm,my 06 300 has to be heavy,I have swingarm guards,handguards,heavy duty tubes on both ends,lights,rear light subframe support,protect mount with damper and computer,and a 3 gallon tank,skid plate and pipe guard,but I havent had any problems with noticing the weight at all,if fact the reason I bought it was because it tracked so straight over the rocks because it was heavy,like the 450,I want one of those real bad,too bad there isnt any dealers close by having test ride days like they used to,I got to try out every bike gasgas made that day,from my 02 125,05 200,06 200,06 250,05 300,06 300,05 450, lets just say I was in heaven and having a hard time choosing my new bike

 

[GMP]

'07 EC250 with rad guards, hand guards, Scotts Damper, Scotts sharkfin/caliper carrier, HD tubes, Hyde combo, and Full tank: 249 lbs.

And YES, it does feel a lot lighter.

 

[Skidad]

Too many people worry about a couple of pounds. Ride it, then make a decision. The '07/'08's are lighter than the '06's and your old KTM.

1st we're not talking a few pounds here. Compared to my current bike we're talking up to a possible 25lb difference. I'm a decent rider but I do get tired and fall down. At the end of a ride my 50 year old muscles can feel a 25lb difference in weight.

When a manufacturer lists dry weight, they mean DRY. No fork oil, no engine oil, no coolant, no shock oil, NOTHING!

I don't believe this is what Gas Gas is doing

The 241 pound weight with no fuel sounds close - for a fully street legal trimmed EC300. The DOT legal tires add about 5 pounds to the weight of the bike over a michelin s12 off road only tire. All of the electrics and taillight add another few pounds. The heavier ignition adds a bit... It all adds up. Most of the '06s and '07s in country are DE models that do not have all this equipment.

The Aussie bike has nothing to do with a DOT bike, it comes stripped except for lights.

Your weights listed for ktm are "dry weights" and are total fantasy...

Sorry your wrong here. The weights for the new KTM's have been confirmed by a number of sources.

'07 EC250 with rad guards, hand guards, Scotts Damper, Scotts sharkfin/caliper carrier, HD tubes, Hyde combo, and Full tank: 249 lbs.

This would put the bike without fuel around the 230 lb mark I believe. Gas weighs about 6lbs x 2.5 gallons and that's 15lbs. The rest of you goodies must add easily another 5 lbs or more. Looks like the 227lbs might be on the money.


Skidad in MA

 

[Bearman]

Actually lot of bikes coming into Australia actually have EVERYTHING still on them because of what you have to have to get them rego'd.

Dual purpose type tyres, mirrors, indicators and the switch gear/wiring for them.

 

[GMP]

Skidad,

Please, take a test ride ASAP and put this to rest.

Two of my friends had '07 KTMs, one a 250 and one a 300. While good in their day, they feel like a school bus compared to an '07 GasGas, or any good '07 2-stroke for that matter.

The GG has a light compact feel and is easy to handle all day in the nasty woods. I'll be 50 this year as well, and beleive me the package works. Its more than the weight or lack of, its the suspension and geometry that make a bike either easy to ride or a handful.

 

[LAWMAN]

I swapped an '07 KTM 300 for an '07 GG 300. picking them up & moving them, they feel about the same. riding, it is night & day, the GG feels lighter.

I also rode an '08 300 XC, it felt noticeably lighter than the GG. it handles better than the '07 KTM, but not as sharp as the GG. the power also doesn't suit me as well as the GGs.

also, I am just a kid compared to some of you old geezers--I'm only 48--but I don't worry about each gram so much as some. if light weight were the end of it, no one would be riding 4-strokes, would they?

 

[cladoo]

1st we're not talking a few pounds here. Compared to my current bike we're talking up to a possible 25lb difference. I'm a decent rider but I do get tired and fall down. At the end of a ride my 50 year old muscles can feel a 25lb difference in weight.

I am 50 also and I went from a '96 KTM 300EXC to an '06 GG EC300 and now an '07 GG EC300 and the difference is very noticeable at each step up. The guy I sold the '08 to has my '06 EC300 and he noticed the weight difference right away. You really have ride one.

 

[Skidad]

Guy's, all I was looking for was a real world weight of the bike not the need to defend myself for doing so. I think it's a fair enough question with a reasonable explanation as to why. I've been around bikes for more than 30 years so I fully know to question manufacturers weight claims. That's why I asked here. Maybe not having done any skiing this winter I have to much time on my hands LOL.

GMP, thanks for weighing your fully gassed up bike. Like I said above based on the weight you supplied and according to my rough calculations the GG 300 without fuel or accessories should come in at well under 230lbs. This is what I was really hoping for. That's over 20lbs less than my 97 250.

I'm sorry you felt the 07 KTM's were good in their day and feel like a school bus Now my 97 250, that's a school bus Even the colors are almost right. Lot's of riders riding and winning on those good in their day 07 school buses

If anyone else has a weight to contribute please chime in by all means. I think other potential GG owners would be interested as well.

Thank you,

Skidad in MA

 

[Skidad]

I am 50 also and I went from a '96 KTM 300EXC to an '06 GG EC300 and now an '07 GG EC300 and the difference is very noticeable at each step up. The guy I sold the '08 to has my '06 EC300 and he noticed the weight difference right away. You really have ride one.

Very good info here for sure. Thankyou Cladoo

Skidad

 

[GMP]

Two of my friends had '07 KTMs, one a 250 and one a 300.

Sorry, I ment '97 KTMs.

 

[Eric K]

My '06 EC300 stock out of the crate with lights, turn signals, horn, speedo/odo [no mirrors, no engine oil, no fuel] weighed 237 lb.

 

[cdn280]

My '06 EC300 stock out of the crate with lights, turn signals, horn, speedo/odo [no mirrors, no engine oil, no fuel] weighed 237 lb.

My same bike with all of the above, plus all oils, large Clarke tank (3/4 full), plastic mirror, EE handguards, CRD skidplate, carbon pipe guard, FMF Turbine silencer, license plate, big Tourtech gps mount, G2 throttle, S-12's is in the 255lb range according to our incredibily accurate weigh the front then the back bathroom scales. No wonder I tip over more with a full tank.

 

[roostafish]

Skidad, I had a '96 KTM 250 EXC. I used to weigh every bike I had on a shipping scale we have at work, but have not in the past few years. I guess it has not been that important lately. Anyway, my KTM 250, with no gas, no hand guards, nothing, straight from the dealer was 245 pounds. (Incidentally, the bike I replaced it with was a '98 Husky WR 125, 196 lbs, no joke. The bike that replaced that was a '99 Gas Gas 200 EC, 235 lbs.) That's pretty much exactly the bike you're riding, but I'm sure you have guards. My '01 Gas Gas 300 feels 90 pounds lighter than my old KTM, and it has great suspension, I can climb aboard without getting a nosebleed, and it actually turns.

Don't get me wrong, that KTM performs fine, I won the 1996 OMRA Open A championship on it, so it must be at least okay. In fact, I thought it worked great at the time.

 

[Skidad]

Skidad, I had a '96 KTM 250 EXC. I used to weigh every bike I had on a shipping scale we have at work, but have not in the past few years. I guess it has not been that important lately. Anyway, my KTM 250, with no gas, no hand guards, nothing, straight from the dealer was 245 pounds. (Incidentally, the bike I replaced it with was a '98 Husky WR 125, 196 lbs, no joke. The bike that replaced that was a '99 Gas Gas 200 EC, 235 lbs.) That's pretty much exactly the bike you're riding, but I'm sure you have guards. My '01 Gas Gas 300 feels 90 pounds lighter than my old KTM, and it has great suspension, I can climb aboard without getting a nosebleed, and it actually turns.

Don't get me wrong, that KTM performs fine, I won the 1996 OMRA Open A championship on it, so it must be at least okay. In fact, I thought it worked great at the time.

Thanks roostafish,

I actually have the original 96 KTM model lineup brochure. The 250 EXC is listed at 247lbs dry so your about right on the money. Ouch! Fill up it's 3.4 gallon tank and it's up to about 267lbs before any guards etc. Yikes!!!

I have a real attachment to this bike though besides the fact that it was previously owned by a friend who died of brain cancer I keep working to make it better and better and love the suspension but just not the weight. I will always keep it but I really want something newer and lighter for enduros and serious trail riding. The GG 300 is what I really want now.

Oh, Mike Lafferty won the US enduro championship in 1997 on the 250 EXC


Skidad in MA

 

[roostafish]

As I understand it, Mike Lafferty's bike was not very modified either. Oh, then we can talk about Shane Watts, who would show up, not only on stock equipment, but often with junk tires, and would win. It goes to show how talented the guy really was. Yeah off topic, sorry.