What if......

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dank

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ive been reading through some of my older dirtrider magazines, and i came across the 2008 December issue. in it they test the husaberg fe 450. now this got me to day dreaming.
What if they applied the same concept to a two stroke? what if gasgas did it to their 200, 250, and 300? say they keep the traditional motors, but also come out with the radical 70 degree motor? or something similar? it wouldnt be that hard to design, and look what it did to the handling of a big 4 stroke! imagine what it would do to a 2 stroke! make what is already great even better!
i just got to thinking and im wondering what you guys thought of it. regardless of cost, would you buy one? or am i just crazy and my idea wouldn't work. i dunno, it seems like a good idea to me, but im 17....
 
I'd be very interested. I don't know if it's worth $10000, but honestly, the Husaberg was a high cost bike to begin with.

I think it sounds fun.
 
you wont have to wait too long,husaberg is rumoured to be making two new two strokes both odd ball sizes and DFI with the titlted motor!
 
fury1 said:
you wont have to wait too long,husaberg is rumoured to be making two new two strokes both odd ball sizes and DFI with the titlted motor!
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Killer! I personally cannot wait to see innovation like that, especially from a company who previously only did valvers!!!
 
yea but you gotta admit, it would be cooler with an ec designation. and doing something major like that would be exactly what gasgas would need to get there name on the market in the united states, especially with e start. because quite frankly gasgas gets no recognition in the US, and they dont do a whole lot of advertising. but if they did something that changed offroad 2 strokes in a major way, and make it stick, they could very well dethrone the orange king of the 2 stroke market (wishful thinking eh?)
 
I'd call it sensible thinking. Gas Gas should hire you.

Gas Gas gets pretty good recognition around here I'd think. I see more Gas Gas bikes than I do Suzukis. Seriously.
 
fury1 said:
you wont have to wait too long,husaberg is rumoured to be making two new two strokes both odd ball sizes and DFI with the titlted motor!
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I also have heard that husaberg is not the only one coming out with FI on 2T for 2011/2012. Should show a lot of improvements on the 2T side of things.

I wish GG would get on board PDQ with this also.
 
"I'd call it sensible thinking. Gas Gas should hire you." roostafish

now thats wishful thinking.
but seriously, if they put out a full production bike with an engine like that, even carbureted, it would still be a game changer, and it would still be cool. and mine is the only gasgas that i have ever seen, though i havnt been around much and its hard to see a little red or blue or yellow in the sea of orange at the few races i have been to.
 
they could very well dethrone the orange king of the 2 stroke market (wishful thinking eh?)

Guess who owns Husaberg? yup, KTM. So Husaberg's a perfect testing ground for DFI on 2T bikes, especially considering the skill/ideas of their engineering dept. TM are also rumoured to be thinking in this direction, but they're a small company so may not have the resources. GasGas should maybe team up with another interested party!!!! Here's hoping.
 
exactly. maybe TM and gasgas could team up? it would be an awful pretty bike, but if you match the production capabilities of gasgas and the design capabilities of TM, it Would be one heck of a bike. suppose theres any way to get the idea along to the company(s)? if they dont know we want it, they wont make it. or maybe gasgas could buy husaberg off ktm. that would be cool. we could call it the gasaburg.
Tell me, what do you think of a husaberg platform 2 stroke diesel in a dirtbike. ive always had a thing for diesel, and i know that a 2 stroke can be done (you would retain the engine oil of a 4stroke, but make it function as a two stroke. detroit diesel puts them in some semi trucks) you would gear the tranny and sprockets WAY up, and run the engine with tons of torque and low end power.
you could save weight in that there would be enough excess power that you wouldn't need the engine capacity to get the same power (get the power of a 450cc motor with a 250cc concept) the biggest problems i would see are maintenance, gearing, and riding style. all would see drastic changes. even a diesel 4 stroke would be cool. and in theory it would be much more efficient.
 
I would think the diesel would be too smelly and loud clanky sounding. And I like the way my ec250 rips. Probly not so with a diesel. Btw, I think Kawasaki makes a diesel KLR650.
 
i think a race spacific design wouldnt use enough fuel to stink, and no, it wouldn't rip, it would pull, and pull freakin hard. imagine never stalling, and if you make it two stroke, it would still have that snap. riding it would take a different approach to clutch and throttle control, but if somebody like to ride like that, it could be very effective. and that army bike would be insane to put in the woods. its clutchless, and its a 650, with a max speed of 95 mph! with a 5 speed. im talking like a 125-300cc max motor, based on the husaberg type motor. two stroke, with crank case oil, which is possible. it would probably weigh about what a 400 or a 450 weighs, handle similar to a husaberg, and have all kinds of insane bottom end torque. it would need to be geared high, to compensate for the lack of high RPM. but in theory it could be a good bike. though not necessarily a realistic possibility.
 
by the way, the military bike is just the modified klr650 that flybars was talking about. its actually a multifuel bike that can run off like 6 different fuels. but ya alls it is is a modified KLR650.
 
When I was in the Marines, I worked very close to the Military M/C program. Yes, it is based off of a KLR 650...pig! Before the KLR 650 we used the KLR 250....which was a gas model. HDT has been involved with the R&D of multi-fuel bikes for a long time. I left the program before I got ride the "pig", but did get to see a working test mule.

Sorry if I hijacked your thread.
 
the issue to me with a diesel is that it would have such a narrow powerband. so by the time you can get it to run at both 5 and 50 mph you might have quite a few gears.
 
thats very true also, maybe they'd have to work out a hi, lo gear range, similar to a rear axle on a larger solid frame truck (f700 ford split axle type of thing) only in the transmission. but figure that if its a two stroke, it can work way down in the rpm range, where our biked dont even idle, say 400 rpm idle, and max at 3500 rpm, maybe more, and you've got lots of width between gears that you can get away with because of the motors abilities, you could make it work. if nothing else its an interesting concept.
 
You mean like this:

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