Why are you "closing" threads?

[racemx904]

There is some very good info in these threads for us and you... Why closed them? Why not delete those posts you dont "like"? Like these posts you say you read its not all positive but you need to be able to take criticism and learn from it and grow.... You are not learning from everybody patting you on the back telling you how awesome you are....

Maybe its time I just stay with a husky......

 

[bowhunter007]

Now I want a eating popcorn icon.

 

[gasgasman]

racemx904
I take it you don't know who I am?
I'm not a dealer or a person on GasGas' payroll.
I'm just an enthusiast that has been riding GasGas' since 1998 and love them.
I'm also a moderator on these forums.

Without getting into a rhetorical debate. The threads were closed due to some unkind comments made about certain dealers that were damaging to their reputation. I felt the threads had run their course and enough was said about the subject.

My mom has always said, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it".

We're all adults here, let's show some respect to our fellow GasGas associates.

2015 is almost here, let's go out and have fun and make it a great year.

gasgasman

 

[webmaster]

This is a moderated forum. It is not a free fire zone.

Jeff

 

[Jakobi]

Maybe its time I just stay with a husky......

There is very little logic to this. The site is not an official representitive for the brand. Some dealers support the site, as do some after market parts suppliers.

As another moderator here, looking in from the outside (from Australia, where the topic/subject doesn't apply) I have to say I support the decision to close the thread. It was not deleted, nor was it over moderated. No individual poster was told not to voice their opinion, or warned to fall into any particular line. The thread had simply reached a point where it had some constructive critisism and some responses. It was balanced, and in this instance its better to cease before it goes down the gurgler with name calling and finger pointing. There is nothing stopping individuals discussing things further in private if they feel the need to.

 

[gg3]

LMFAO. "I'm going to take my digger to another sandpit".
Must be just having a bad day.

 

[bukwheat]

There is some very good info in these threads for us and you...
Maybe its time I just stay with a husky......

You will find that the most informative forums, KTMTalk, this one, etc are moderated to a certain extent. Sometimes I don't agree with the moderation but in the long run, the benefit I receive from the information I glean from both of the aforementioned forums, is well worth the moderation aspect of both.

As far as staying with Husky....I'm sure its a fine white KTM but you're missing out on another fine, different marque that is just as good or better for some people.

 

[racemx904]

It doesnt matter who you are and really I dont much care.... But it seems if you dont like what somebody says, which there was only 1 or 2 truly negative and never saw a name posted besides some GOOD ones to use....

so in closing because potential bad mouthing you also shut down the GOOD ones.....

Makes me as an ex-gasgas rider and seriously looking at a 14 ec300 from a GOOD dealer... Halls.... makes me wonder what other threads you have shut down because they were negative but could be very informative....

So you might as well shut this one down too because it has ran its course.... and yes I know its not a free for all and I am on Cafehusky, KTM, thumpertalk.... but again there wasnt one dealer bashed by name...

 

[Bryan]

It doesnt matter who you are and really I dont much care.... But it seems if you dont like what somebody says, which there was only 1 or 2 truly negative and never saw a name posted besides some GOOD ones to use....

so in closing because potential bad mouthing you also shut down the GOOD ones.....

Makes me as an ex-gasgas rider and seriously looking at a 14 ec300 from a GOOD dealer... Halls.... makes me wonder what other threads you have shut down because they were negative but could be very informative....

So you might as well shut this one down too because it has ran its course.... and yes I know its not a free for all and I am on Cafehusky, KTM, thumpertalk.... but again there wasnt one dealer bashed by name...

"stepping up to the soapbox"

You joined this forum this month and have a grand total of 21 posts. I haven't bothered to look at your posts, as I can gather from your first post in this thread that they probably are not worth reading. Many of us use this site for the resource it is and although many don't post much, we contribute to the support of the site to keep it up. We even get together from time to time for rides so we can put faces with names.

As others have said, we are passionate about the gasgas brand. If you are not happy, I get that. I for one don't want to hear it, especially from a newbie.

The moderators here rarely insert themselves into topics. I participate in other forums that are heavily controlled and moderated. Same rules apply there, if you don't like it, leave.

From what I have seen the moderators have used great restraint over the years that I have been here.

I will defer to their judgment, they have earned it. You sir, have not. Since it is their sandbox and their rules, if you don't like how they are applied then move on and don't let the door hit you in the backside.

Probably not the answer you want to hear , but I really don't want to hear a newbie get on here and act like a flamethrower either.

"stepping off the soapbox"

 

[racemx904]

Far from a Newbie.... maybe to this site but been on a bike many more years than most.... but anyhow.... you got it..... adios....

"stepping up to the soapbox"

You joined this forum this month and have a grand total of 21 posts. I haven't bothered to look at your posts, as I can gather from your first post in this thread that they probably are not worth reading. Many of us use this site for the resource it is and although many don't post much, we contribute to the support of the site to keep it up. We even get together from time to time for rides so we can put faces with names.

As others have said, we are passionate about the gasgas brand. If you are not happy, I get that. I for one don't want to hear it, especially from a newbie.

The moderators here rarely insert themselves into topics. I participate in other forums that are heavily controlled and moderated. Same rules apply there, if you don't like it, leave.

From what I have seen the moderators have used great restraint over the years that I have been here.

I will defer to their judgment, they have earned it. You sir, have not. Since it is their sandbox and their rules, if you don't like how they are applied then move on and don't let the door hit you in the backside.

Probably not the answer you want to hear , but I really don't want to hear a newbie get on here and act like a flamethrower either.

"stepping off the soapbox"

 

[mcnut]

My mom has always said, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it".

We're all adults here, let's show some respect to our fellow GasGas associates.

2015 is almost here, let's go out and have fun and make it a great year.

gasgasman

Holy crap, we had the same Mommy!?
BTW, it's not always easy to hold back when somebody rattles my cage, and you know what I mean.

 

[cbutler]

Well said Bryan I am tired of newbies pissing and moaning. What do they think gasgas does not sell many bikes in the US and not funded like the big five but always seem to compare gasgas to them. Gasgas is a "new" brand like it or not I can remember when you could not give a KTM or Husky away.

 

[webmaster]

Hey Guys
Just a reminder of the rules of the road here.

Given the context - Referring to someone as a newbie is name calling and denigrating. It crosses over the line of my rule number one.

Rule number one is "it is okay to attack an idea. It is not okay to attack a person".


Jeff

 

[webmaster]

Now, responding to the original posters concern that we "over moderate here" or "drink kool aid"...

This forum is very different from other discussion forums on the internet. It is owned by the entire gasgas community - this community includes owners, dealers, distributors and gasgas itself. It exists to benefit this community and as such is not for profit. So unlike other forums - we don't have a "store" where we sell products and advertising is provided for dealers who donate just a small amount of money - or even if they don't... ;-)


This forum isn't a dealers turf or my "turf" - it is everyone's turf....

We rarely delete or moderate threads. On rare occasion we will delete a thread if someone is attacking someone else or trying to do someone else harm. The only time we moderate is when something gets out of control. In many years of operation, we have only had to ban three members - and that is with over 5000 members here.

In this case, as I see it from the sidelines, some members here don't like a very necessary change in the parts distribution. Mark Berg has tried to respond to these concerns and asked for some time to smooth things out. Seems like some are trying to use this forum as a "stick" to beat gasgasmotos u..s. into submission to revert to the previous business model.

Specifically addressing the threads that were closed - everyone had there say, and it just turned into a "beat the almost dead horse causing it more pain". It is a grey area - but someone has to make the call and gasgasman did so...

And now back to the actual issue of the parts distribution.... A bike distributor needs to sell parts to be profitable. As an example - Honda makes more money selling parts than they do selling bikes... A dealer needs to sell parts in order to have a workable business model. They can't make it selling a couple of bikes and not have parts sales. You can't have a separate parts importer and bike importer and "have it go" - the business model doesn't work for the importers or the dealers. And having the importer sell parts direct is referred to as "sales channel conflict" - one part of a company is competing with another to the detriment of the whole.

The history of gofasters being the parts distributor was only a temporary thing - even if clay would have stayed as the importer - he was to take over parts distribution eventually.

By eliminating a middleman (gofasters) - parts prices are reduced to the end user, and to the prospective buyer this makes the bike more competitive in the marketplace. In addition, the health of the dealer network will benefit. The parts are now owned by gasgas corporate - the stock of parts in the U.S. is improved - the employees at gofasters who acted as parts guys now work directly for gasgas - mark is CEO of gasgasmotos u.s. Well deserved after his dedication to the brand for so many years...

The parts importation change is a necessary and positive change - In the moderated threads, Mark asked for time to work through any minor issues that folks have (and he did so twice!) - I ask that you please give it to him. And frankly - any "piling on" could be viewed as intentionally attempting to doing them harm (in an attempt to force them back into their old business model) - which is against the rules here....

jeff

 

[desertgasser300]

Im pretty sure most of the thread was directed at dealers postage/handling etc....at the least mine were trying to stay in that context? My comparing gasgas to honda was not intended to be a jab at gasgas, but only a comparison of part availability/dealers. From my perspective being in the southwest vs. out east. If seems as though you guys are surrounded by the brand more then here. And the lose of my dealer makes me nervous and frustrated. Dont get me wrong, I enjoy my bike there is none sexier then a gasgas, but the southwest is a dead zone. I ahve always enjoyed this forum, but moderation is what it is, but it did seem a little premature, but that is not my call. Throwing a tantrum and threatening not to ride a brand of bike is silly.

If GasGas N.A. had a job opening for P.R. out here I would jump on it. I only work 10 days a month and have alot of time on my hands. And am set to retire in 7 yrs.

 

[webmaster]

Please give it a rest....

Jeff

 

[desertgasser300]

Please give it a rest....

Jeff

Seriously??? Give what a rest? Should everything on here be Rainbows and sunshine with lollipop fields and chocolate rivers.

 

[webmaster]

Yes. Seriously.

Jeff

 

[Bryan]

Hey Guys
Just a reminder of the rules of the road here.

Given the context - Referring to someone as a newbie is name calling and denigrating. It crosses over the line of my rule number one.

Rule number one is "it is okay to attack an idea. It is not okay to attack a person".


Jeff

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be denigrating.

Bryan

 

[2taddict]

As a newbie my opinion is the moderators and senior members on this site have been most helpful and eager to assist way beyond any of my expectations.
I say do what you have to do to not let things change.