2005 --> No Squawk. 2011 --> Some Squawk

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AZRickD

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One of the things I liked about my 2005 was that I would have to brutally abuse it to get it to make any noise, and it modulated very well without grabiness.

My 2011 can squawk on moderate hillishness from a stop, its modulate has more of an on-off feel than I had become accustomed too, and it is a bit grabby.

I've used ATF as well as conventional gear oil and Rotella dino and synth in both.

I bought a slightly used Rekluse EXP 2.0 that I have yet to install. Too bad it doesn't come with the adjustable slave cylinder. I'm in no rush as summer in Phoenix isn't delightful to ride or to wrench. I have the "special washer," as well. Any special considerations with the installation?

I'll take the basket, hub, fibers and steels out and give it a good look. I would consider a Rekluse basket as well.
 
My '11 was the same. I modded the basket and hub (drilled more holes) and it made it a lot better. Still gets loud and grabby but now takes a lot more abuse to do it. After reading reviews on here ill be buying a rekluse basket in the near future. Seems to pretty much make the problem go away.
 
If you buy the Rekluse Basket make sure that you measure the hole in the center of your OEM basket. It will either be 40mm or 46mm. On my 2011 EC300 my OEM basket was a 46mm and Rekluse had sent me the wrong sized basket. They immediately machined a new basket and shipped it to me. The new Rekluse Basket fit perfectly.
 
Here is a thread that I posted during my install. The slave cylinder was a pain to bleed but its works very well. I wanted to use Honda Fiber Plates so Rekluse sent me a set of special steel plates. These special steel plates were 1.22mm as opposed to about 1.55mm for the standard plates. Rekluse erroneously sent me one steel that was 2.25mm so my clutch pack height was incorrect. Rekluse then sent me a new plate to replace the 2.25mm plate. When I get I get home I will post the size of this last steel plate.

http://http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&highlight=rekluse+basket&page=2
 
Okay, gimme your synopsis for this thread. ;)

...and what if I kept the GG basket and didn't get the adjustable slave cylinder? Less issues?
 
...less issues? I don't know, once I got the slave bled and pumped up, I have had no issues with my 2013. My 2011 hasn't made a noise since I installed the Rekluse basket, the 2013 still has the factory basket and makes no noise - go figure?
 
The slave cylinder isn't a problem after you bleed it. The slave cylinder makes it very easy to set the Free Gain on the rekluse auto clutch. You are probably okay with the GG basket, but the Rekluse basket is quiet and much stronger.

I am running a Honda Fiber clutch pack and it works great. I only had trouble because one of the steel plates that Rekluse sent me was the wrong size, 2.25mm. After rekluse sent me the correct replacement steel plate, it all dropped in and worked fine.
 
I would take that clutch as soon as you can and have a look at it. I had the SAME probs with my "12 300 clutch. It howled, grabbed and screeched since I got it a few months ago. Took clutch apart and 7/11 webbings supports were sheered from the basket fingers and were being chewed in my tranny. The remaining 3 webbings were already cracked and ready to sheer off aswell. I also had a broken tab on one of my fibre plates (probably caused by the broken off webbings).

I had already ordered a Rekluse Clutch Case as my stock case was weeping... but after this discovery, I went ahead and ordered a Rekluse outer basket aswell, and new fibres from Gofasters. I almost decided to just go ahead and order the full EXP Core II but decided to wait.

Now, after roughly 10 hrs of rippin and tearin.....no leaks, grabbiness, howling and no squawking at all.

Not sure why my '12 outer clutch basket was so weak. Some have suggested poor quality control in Spain. A buddy had an 07 300 and never touched a wrench on it for 5 summers and 20 000 kms, except for reg maintanence and an LTR Jetting install....the entire bike was basically bulletproof.
 
My GG basket looked fine(see the photos on the thread). But when you place the Rekluse Basket next the GG Basket(see the thread again), the Rekluse Basket is a much higher level of design and construction. Also,the Rekluse is quiet.

I'm not knocking the GG stuff, I was installing a Core EXP Auto Clutch and I didn't want to take a chance on a basket self destructing and trashing my motor.
 
Moto7man said:
If you buy the Rekluse Basket make sure that you measure the hole in the center of your OEM basket. It will either be 40mm or 46mm.
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My basket hole (minus the gear insert) is 40mm (33mm with the insert).

Everything looks normalish.

I had read something about a special basket spacer for the GG to keep the mechanism from s raping the inside of the clutch cover. I had none in my kut so I am reusing the OEM washer.

Hmmmm. No gasket in the Kit. Off to AutoZone for some material.
 

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Everything is installed.

The clutch drags, so (if I read the directions correctly) I should go clock-wise a click or two.
 
Well... two hours of fiddling later...

I kinda figured there was an "art" to this. That finding of "the starting point" is step one of the fudge factor. I found some facsimile of the "starting point" and dutifully did my one complete turn. Since this was a used Core EXP, I added the two "tics", all the time wondering if it was the tic marks that were the "tics" or the numbers that were the tics. I assumed it was the tics that were the tics.

So, as stated above, the clutch dragged and stalled on the first attempt. I took the cover off and adjusted a couple of tics clock-wise. Still dragging. A couple more. Still dragging. A couple more. Dragging less. Finally I got it to were it barely caused the bike to every-so-slightly inch forward. It didn't stall. I did a couple of tics more and it was too my liking but when I raced it down the street it was slipping badly. I backed off the adjuster to the point where it didn't drag at idle and it didn't slip at speed. Now I need a nasty hill climb to really test it. I bet that thing is gonna get really hot.

I can see the utility of the adjustable slave cylinder. Heck, necessity of it. I might have to order one, assuming Rekluse has it figured out for the Gasser (I read the horror stories).

Meh. I've felt better-tuned EXPs on other bikes. Maybe I need to do some more tuning. At least I have the option of removing the EXP and installing an extra fiber and steel to make it a manual.

I also put a washer on the brake lever to give it some clearance from the Rekluse clutch cover. I used a full 1,000 ml of Walmart ATF, by the way.
 
AZRickD said:
I used a full 1,000 ml of Walmart ATF, by the way.
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Rekluse recommends the non synthetic Shell Rotella. I am running the synthetic Shell Rotella simply bc its what I was running before. If I have any issues then I will switch to the non synthetic Rotella, you can buy both at Walmart.

I know you read my posts about what a pain it is to bleed the Rekluse Slave Cylinder. However, once its set up, its easy to fine tune your "free gain" on the auto clutch.
 
I talked to the Rekluse techs about the Rotella recommendation when they were in Phoenix last January at a KTM Ride Day.

They said that the Rotella recommendation was sort of a default position as they really didn't "test" anything else at the time. They have the intention to test other oils but it is very low on their to-do list.
 
Ok, I will post updates with the Rotella as I put more time on my autoclutch. Those guys at Rekluse seem to really know their stuff.
 
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