250- 300- 250- 300

[urnuts]

250 vs 300

My assumption is that one could buy the 250 and then go to 280 or 300 at a later date and have, essentially, the same bike (well, in the 300 case, anyway) as if you had purchased the 300 in the first place- at least from an engine/performance standpoint.
Is that correct, or close to correct?

 

[fury1]

you are correct,you can also put the 250 kit on a 300 as well if it was too much low end

 

[urnuts]

That was sorta my next thought-

So, ultimately, as long as your checkbook is handy- you can always be happy.
Just like this place about 40 miles outside Vegas.
Nice to know, though, that you can make that swap and not switch bikes, but jugs.

 

[webmaster]

This is a coke versus pepsi argument.

Sorry - but I had a 300 and it was stall proof once it was dialed in and very tract-able in any situation. I did notice some things along the way that could easily give someone the wrong impression on the power delivery.

The bike used to be delivered with an fmf gnarly pipe - it provided the most power on the bottom, but it wasn't very linear and would yank and spin more than other pipes I had. I rode back to back - same day, same trail the following pipes : messico, doma, fmf gnarly and motowest.

The doma was the smoothest on the bottom and easiest to ride - it also screamed on top. This pipe, I believe, is most similar to the current oem pipe. The gnarly would yank, spin and stall. To be fair, I would gear completely differently for these two pipes - and I use them just to illustrate the point that setup has as much to do with ride-ability of the 300 in tight situations as does the inherent characteristics of the bike itself. I would gear the gnarly piped bike taller to spread the power out more and reduce the "yank".

The other issues is jetting - back in '01 the bikes came with the n1ef needle and a lean pilot - this leads to "pulling over" on the carb - so it will burble in the transition off the very bottom and then "yank" when it cleared out. The dealer near me called this "the lurch". Things go round to the beginning and the bikes are now coming with an n1ef needle again...

Les set me up with an old honda trials throttle he had lying around (the g2 would do fine as well), dialed in the jetting, I switched to a doma pipe, lowered the gearing a tad and I was in a state of pure bliss.

jeff

 

[Rod Overstreet]

Yeah man, you guys have some great riding in the northwest! I was out there back in 07 and had a blast.

 

[Rod Overstreet]

This is a coke versus pepsi argument.

Sorry - but I had a 300 and it was stall proof once it was dialed in. I did notice some things along the way that could easily give someone the wrong impression on the power delivery.

The bike used to be delivered with an fmf gnarly pipe - it provided the most power on the bottom, but it wasn't very linear and would yank and spin more than other pipes I had. I rode back to back - same day, same trail the following pipes : messico, doma, fmf gnarly and motowest.

The doma was the smoothest on the bottom and easiest to ride - it also screamed on top. This pipe, I believe, is most similar to the current oem pipe. The gnarly would yank, spin and stall. To be fair, I would gear completely differently for these two pipes - and I use them just to illustrate the point that setup has as much to do with ride-ability of the 300 in tight situations as does the inherent characteristics of the bike itself. I would gear the gnarly piped bike taller to spread the power out more and reduce the "yank".

The other issues is jetting - back in '01 the bikes came with the n1ef needle and a lean pilot - this leads to "pulling over" on the carb - so it will burble in the transition off the very bottom and then "yank" when it cleared out. The dealer near me called this "the lurch". Things go round to the beginning and the bikes are now coming with an n1ef needle again...

Les set me up with an old honda trials throttle he had lying around (the g2 would do fine as well), dialed in the jetting, I switched to a doma pipe, lowered the gearing a tad and I was in a state of pure bliss.

jeff

I like that..."Coke or Pepsi"!!! Man, I spent a few hours today just playing around at home with the 300 and gotta say, everytime I ride it, I like it even more.

I can see where Mike has a hard decision to make. In his part of the country, the trails are super tight thru the pines, in addition to the sandy soil. A 250 might work best for him down there.

 

[webmaster]

I like that..."Coke or Pepsi"!!! Man, I spent a few hours today just playing around at home with the 300 and gotta say, everytime I ride it, I like it even more.

I can see where Mike has a hard decision to make. In his part of the country, the trails are super tight thru the pines, in addition to the sandy soil. A 250 might work best for him down there.

I think it really comes down to personal preference and what kind of power you want. Set up correctly - the 300 delivers a more linear torque curve and more low end power. The 250 can deliver greater maneuverability and acceleration if the conditions permit and if the guy twisting the throttle has a bit more energy to devote to "moving forward".

Given that I think history has been made today in that I kinda disagree with Glenn - I have to say that this is just my perspective - old guy who likes 4 stroke like power with 2 stroke like acceleration and likes to weave through trees....

Jeff

 

[kendunn]

I have both and they are pretty different, but here is my take, if you are a roost and spin/motocross kinda guy get the 250, if you are more into clutch/throttle/traction control get the 300. Also if you spend most of you time in 1st and 2nd on your trails or off the pipe get the 300. My son loves the 250 and rides it, I love the 300.

 

[twowheels]

you are correct,you can also put the 250 kit on a 300 as well if it was too much low end

Round numbers, combining some of the OE GasGas parts (cylinder, cylinder head, o-rings and gaskets) with a quality aftermarket piston kit you can go from a 2010 250 to 300 for ~$1300. Going the other direction, from a 300 to a 250 would cost on the order of $1050. Some people have spent at least that much on a big-screen TV ...

 

[GMP]

Not necessarily a disagreement at all, my perspective might be different if I rode in the northwest. You guys have an awesome range of terrain that I have yet to experience.

 

[wence]

After reading all the posts on this thread I thought I would add my limited experience.
I had a 98 Rmx 250 and thought it was great . Sold that and bought my 07 Gasser 300 and realised the 300 was everythig the Rmx was but better in every aspect. Definitely not scary and was a bit wary at first as the bloke I bought it from was selling cos he reckons it was too much bike for him???
Just ride within your means and unless you plan on racing for more than 8 hrs I don't think there would be a lot of difference between the two.
The choice is yours.
Cheers Mark

 

[roostafish]

Yikes!! I think the answer is..... Both. Plus a 125.

 

[husley]

thanks

I have both and they are pretty different, but here is my take, if you are a roost and spin/motocross kinda guy get the 250, if you are more into clutch/throttle/traction control get the 300. Also if you spend most of you time in 1st and 2nd on your trails or off the pipe get the 300. My son loves the 250 and rides it, I love the 300.

This was very helpful. Thanks

 

[mikemoto]

And the winner is

And the winner is a 250. Road both today and for me the 250 fits my ridding style much better. The low end on the 250 is fun, loft the front wheel, put it where you want it, twist the throttle and go. Much more fun to ride. In a nut shell, I can ride the 250, the 300 rides me. I'm a fast b rider for an old guy and this bike will make me feel like a kid again. I will pick it up next week. Good buy four stroke's. The only four stroke i'll buy from now on will be a lawn mower.

 

[roostafish]

The only four stroke i'll buy from now on will be a lawn mower.

Where's the like button?

 

[Rod Overstreet]

And the winner is a 250. Road both today and for me the 250 fits my ridding style much better. The low end on the 250 is fun, loft the front wheel, put it where you want it, twist the throttle and go. Much more fun to ride. In a nut shell, I can ride the 250, the 300 rides me. I'm a fast b rider for an old guy and this bike will make me feel like a kid again. I will pick it up next week. Good buy four stroke's. The only four stroke i'll buy from now on will be a lawn mower.

Glad you finally decided on one Mike, and congrats!!!

 

[Bobt250]

Good buy four stroke's. The only four stroke i'll buy from now on will be a lawn mower.

That's what I'm talkin' about!