Ec 300 (wec) Is It True ????

[rockrider1]

Hi guys........somebody told me that all the ec300 (wec) have 250 cyclinders on them.......is this true also can somebody tell WHY a piston and ring cost over $340.00 for a 07' ec300 ???????

 

[rockrider1]

i really want a gaser,but after checking out some of the prices for parts,and hearing about the trouble they are having with their dealer network and not to mention the deteriorating retail value......i scared to pull that trigger!

 

[dank]

so buy a used one, ec250's arnt that hard to maintain, a full piston kit is about 200 bucks, and if your not really hard on them and run a pretty heavy mix, you wont need to even do a piston for a long time. theres a fella runnin around on here with 7 YEARS on his piston. he runs i think 32:1 or 40:1. and his piston and cylinder and lower end are just fine. not to mention the HUGE amount of cross over parts. sure, they arn't as pretty as a pumpkin, but the used ones are like cadillacs, you can buy a Heck of a good one dirt cheap because anybody with any money is just going to buy a brand new one. dont be afraid to get a gasser. there are a ton of really smart people here that will be able to help you with pretty much every thing you could ever need help with.

 

[Mark Berg - CPD]

correction

$206 is US retail on a wiseco piston kit replacement all across the USA and this piston works just fine. The retail you see is for a "OEM" from Spain that is basically the same piston, but it went from vendor to OEM to distributor to dealer to you...alot of hands touching this product plus oversea's shipment, customs taxes, dollar versus euro 1.30 on average...

While we don't advertise the wiseco for the sake of keeping GG happy, it is almost all we sell and distribute to dealers, cutting out the oversea's shipping, one middle person, and our weak dollar, but less profit as well all to keep GG riders happier.....

Also, not correct about Wiseco pistons being limited to "supplier" any and all dealers can get direct, the same as us, its just Wiseco doesn't stock large quantities so we try to prepare and order qty's of 12 to 24 so they will build and have in stock and we had a hard time convincing them to do those small kind of runs of production.

Some parts are more expensive than the competitions, yes i agree, while others are not..KTM radiator versus GG radiators. We've starting to outsource plastics as well, wheel kits, we have aftermarket wearables for everything on your bike at a lesser cost to you.

Dealer network...isn't where we want it but then again look at all the ktm shops that are no longer. We've had about 5 dealerships within 150 miles close, just plain close, whether it be Arctic Cat, KTM, Yamaha shops. Plus Harley Davidson predicts more stores closing in 2010 than in 2009. Its still survival mode and I feel really good about GasGas's survival.

Deteriorating value? This one always cracks me up, look around at other machines and the cheap prices they are currently. The value is only deteriorated if your marketing your bike to the local guy that's never heard of a GG, the used GG's we sell always get a fair price not much worse than the KTM or Yammie down the street.

 

[einsteingarage]

Well said Wannabe........


As far as parts go, I moved from KTM to GasGas because the parts are cheaper. Here is a perfect example. 2 stroke mid pipe rubber gromet between silencer and exhaust pipe. KTM $25 GasGas $5

 

[HuskyDude]

i really want a gaser,but after checking out some of the prices for parts,and hearing about the trouble they are having with their dealer network and not to mention the deteriorating retail value......i scared to pull that trigger!

Prices on GG parts are no where near as bad as the Oranges guys. And as far as the dealer network the only one to blame as far as the States goes is the importer... Not the dealers. The lack of new machines in the States clearly lies in their lap not the dealers. I would say GG holds their own as far as resale value goes. You just have to sale to someone that wants one.

 

[Boomhauer]

Hi guys........somebody told me that all the ec300 (wec) have 250 cyclinders on them.......is this true also can somebody tell WHY a piston and ring cost over $340.00 for a 07' ec300 ???????

Yep my WEC 300 has a 250 cylinder on it and I really like it. Rips up like a 250 and lugs like a 300. Best of both worlds if you ask me. I was hesitant at first but really have enjoyed the bike and the power.

Mine is for sale!

 

[stainlesscycle]

theres a fella runnin around on here with 7 YEARS on his piston.

my 200 has original piston and it's a 2000...i put rings on it this year because i was in there - it didn't really need them..

 

[2 strokes 4 life]

I have logged over 300 hours on all stock internals and she still has high compression.

 

[GMP]

Pistons also fatigue over time even if they are still in dimmensional spec. Ever see a skirt break off? Not pretty. For the price of a Vertex kit I'll do mine every 100 hrs or so and not worry about it letting go.

 

[roostafish]

Good luck finding a Vertex Piston. If you do find one, let us know. With the part numbers! It seems they can't help you without the numbers.

 

[blitz11]

Located to our south in Iowa is the Hot Rods company, home of Hot Cams, Hot Rods, Pivot Works, and affiliated with Vertex Pistons. (Please see http://www.hotrodsproducts.com/.)

This company has done pretty well, and if there were enough demand for GasGas pistons, my guess is that Vertex Pistons would be made available to us.

I, for one, am with Glenn. If you toast a piston skirt, it can do a lot of damage (think cases). $200 for a piston kit isn't a bad deal, really. It's cheap insurance. If you change it at 100 hours, it cost you $2/hour. You're burning through way more gas than that. Where else can you have fun like this for $2/hour?

Fuel:Oil mix has quite a bit to do with ring and piston surface wear, but not much to do with fatigue life. If you run your bike hard and don't change a piston, you'll break one. That $200 piston looks cheap when compared to the other result.

 

[cbutler]

so buy a used one, ec250's arnt that hard to maintain, a full piston kit is about 200 bucks, and if your not really hard on them and run a pretty heavy mix, you wont need to even do a piston for a long time. theres a fella runnin around on here with 7 YEARS on his piston. he runs i think 32:1 or 40:1. and his piston and cylinder and lower end are just fine. not to mention the HUGE amount of cross over parts. sure, they arn't as pretty as a pumpkin, but the used ones are like cadillacs, you can buy a Heck of a good one dirt cheap because anybody with any money is just going to buy a brand new one. dont be afraid to get a gasser. there are a ton of really smart people here that will be able to help you with pretty much every thing you could ever need help with.

Bite your tong boy theirs nothing as sexxy as a GasGas
TM's are a close 2nd.Orange give me a brake

 

[jostby]

Hi guys........somebody told me that all the ec300 (wec) have 250 cyclinders on them.......is this true

Yep my WEC 300 has a 250 cylinder on it and I really like it. Rips up like a 250 and lugs like a 300. Best of both worlds if you ask me. I was hesitant at first but really have enjoyed the bike and the power.

Mine is for sale!

back to the original post, 300's with 250 cylinders?? What is that about? As much as I follow GG what did I miss?

 

[WTEC]

I thought a 300 with a 250 top end was a 250? Am I missing something? Is the stroke changed in these bikes as well?

Wes.

 

[dank]

Bite your tong boy theirs nothing as sexxy as a GasGas
TM's are a close 2nd.Orange give me a brake

i speak only of my own V.s my girlfriends 06 200exc. and i do NOT like the gas tank, it just looks dumb hanging off the side. you gotta understand that my bike isnt just used, its USED im the fifth owner, and my bike has seen better days. its been ridden fast and HARD. and nobody thought it wise to put new plastics on the poor girl (something i intend to do when i have enough surplus cash to do so.) also growing up on a farm with allis chalmers for tractors, and school colors of orange and black, i have to admit that i like orange. i dont like the price tag, the maintenance cost, the overcomplicated rear suspension, the attitude that the company seems to have due to its recent success in the market(something that i feel is the fault of gasgas, rather than ktm. i honestly didnt know gasgas existed until my girlfriend (yes, the one with the ktm) suggested that i look at one because the were a good solid bike and usually ran cheaper than a comparable KTM. yes, the new gassers are GORGEOUS! but i will not lie and say the ktms are ugly. its just an opinion. i gave up on brand preference on anything a long time ago, choosing instead to base opinions on experience and reputation. and you cant tell me that ktm does not have a good reputation for building a good bike. they dont win world championships on nothing. (and yes, i do understand that paying for a better rider does help, but at the end of the day, if the bike is falling apart underneath you, you aint gunna ride it to the podium, no matter how good you are).
i do agree that a properly kept Gasgas is beautiful, but you have to admit that alot of them that get sold used have not been well kept and look kindof shabby.

 

[rockrider1]

hey guys,can somebody please shine some light on this cylinder thing from my original post............thanks

 

[jostby]

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[Fred1956]

hey guys,can somebody please shine some light on this cylinder thing from my original post............thanks

I'm with you and jostby. My ears and eyes are perked for an answer. I thought 250 shared the bottom end with the 300. Only difference was the jug, piston etc. Somebody please ! Inquiring minds want to know....

 

[gasser]

I'm with you and jostby. My ears and eyes are perked for an answer. I thought 250 shared the bottom end with the 300. Only difference was the jug, piston etc. Somebody please ! Inquiring minds want to know....

The 250 and 300 have the same stroke and there is no difference in the bottom end components. The 200 shares most of the parts with the bigger bikes but not all. A 250 can easily be made into a 300 by just replacing the top end (I've got an 01xc300 top end on my 07ec250).

There was talk in one of the forums about a "275" gasser. If I remember right it was one or more bikes modified by the French TEAM for racing in the ISDE.