ec300 or ec450

[dank]

well alright then. take on the 450 big beast and let us know how it goes, though personally i would still say that once you get jetting done, and there are alot of people that could help you with that in short order, it would be a one kick, no sweat easy to ride fun machine. no having to worry about valve clearance, though from what ive seen the gg 450s are really good about that. as long as its got two wheels and a motor im sure your going to have fun with it, so cheers and enjoy!

 

[Skidad]

bit of everything dank. i just wanna fill her up and ride the thing electric start fuel injection no mixxing fuels no jetting required i dont know how to maintain a bike i just wanna ride the thing

Your kidding I hope If you or your buddies don't know how to jet a 2 stroke then maybe that's not for you. That might drive you crazy. A modern FI 4 stroke while reliable enough is a pretty sophisticated piece of machinery. Especially important will be oil changes which should be done a a regular basis, proper air filter maintenance and keeping the important electrical stuff clean/dry and tight. Valve adjustments could be done by the dealer if you aren't comfortable doing that type of thing. Can you handle some of those things? Sounds like the 4 stroke is for you IMO.

 

[fkmf6]

well alright then. take on the 450 big beast and let us know how it goes, though personally i would still say that once you get jetting done, and there are alot of people that could help you with that in short order, it would be a one kick, no sweat easy to ride fun machine. no having to worry about valve clearance, though from what ive seen the gg 450s are really good about that. as long as its got two wheels and a motor im sure your going to have fun with it, so cheers and enjoy!

cheers dank

 

[fkmf6]

Your kidding I hope If you or your buddies don't know how to jet a 2 stroke then maybe that's not for you. That might drive you crazy. A modern FI 4 stroke while reliable enough is a pretty sophisticated piece of machinery. Especially important will be oil changes which should be done a a regular basis, proper air filter maintenance and keeping the important electrical stuff clean/dry and tight. Valve adjustments could be done by the dealer if you aren't comfortable doing that type of thing. Can you handle some of those things? Sounds like the 4 stroke is for you IMO.

thanks buddy

 

[swazi_matt]

oh by the way i also replaced the base gasket with a .5mm one

what does this do?

 

[dank]

hey im sorry if this shatters your final decision and throws you back into a whirlwind of indecision, but....
i got an idea. why not get both? you can have two different bikes for two different types of riding. or (and you guys are all gunna hate me for this) you could get the best of both worlds in one bike (which would cost about the same but there would be no jetting or mixing of fuel, just a hefty price tag) and get a Husaberg. yes i said it. Husaberg. yes, i know the jolly orange giant has his icy orange clutches wrapped tightly around the hus, but you cannot deny what this bike has done for dirtbikes. in more than one instance, it has been sited for handling like a two stroke, and maintaining all of the good qualities of a 450 four stroke. i love 2 smokes, but if i was ever to but a 450, it would be a husaberg (which i would paint red and put gasgas stickers all over out of spite.)

 

[fkmf6]

hey im sorry if this shatters your final decision and throws you back into a whirlwind of indecision, but....
i got an idea. why not get both? you can have two different bikes for two different types of riding. or (and you guys are all gunna hate me for this) you could get the best of both worlds in one bike (which would cost about the same but there would be no jetting or mixing of fuel, just a hefty price tag) and get a Husaberg. yes i said it. Husaberg. yes, i know the jolly orange giant has his icy orange clutches wrapped tightly around the hus, but you cannot deny what this bike has done for dirtbikes. in more than one instance, it has been sited for handling like a two stroke, and maintaining all of the good qualities of a 450 four stroke. i love 2 smokes, but if i was ever to but a 450, it would be a husaberg (which i would paint red and put gasgas stickers all over out of spite.)

funny u say this dank, just got the latest dirt action magazine with the 2010 450 shootout and 7 out of 8 riders picked the gas gas for outright weapon the 1 that didnt picked the husaberg. u obviously havnt ridden a 2010 model 450 gas gas. as for buying both i would love to but im not donald trump . Lol

 

[dank]

nope havnt seen a new magazine in a long time (got some old ones lyin around, 2009 and such. tbm and dirt rider both absolutely loved the hus.) so thats what i went off of. like i said, it was just a thought. best of luck with the gg 450!

 

[ggg]

It might be easier on a 4T to run hard all day then on a 2T but it will be a lot harder on you asking a 4T that weighs in at 270 plus bling to carry you around all day. You will feel less fatigue at the end of the day on anything that weighs less which just happens to be the EC300,

Don't get into a 4T for the wrong reason. You're not getting a 4T because they're easier to ride. You are getting a 4T because they're easier to run (meaning no mixed fuel, no jetting, all your buddy have them. The compromises you are making out weigh the fact that you would have a lot more fun on a way lighter bike. Once jetting is done you really don't have to mess with it till different seasons. And you still have to mix fuel.
If you wait another year...who know who will have 2T that are FI. Man they're closer than you think. I bet we'll see some in the near future.

Thats not correct, your not carrying around 270Lbs your riding ontop of it, in open terrian the 4t is holding a constant speed not wanting to hit band /off band its not vibrating through the bars as much, the 4s is more stable over rocks ruts it doesnt deflect as much as a lighter 2 s, thats all adds up to less fatigue than a 2s, if you are tipping the bike into corners flat out goin up steep hills and tight terrian then yes it is easier with 30lbs less weight, but we are only talking about an 8% increase in total weight, 2s also require generally more rider input with gear changes clutch work etc.

A 4s can do every thing a 2s can with a bit more weight most noticable in the tight stuff but a 2s on the open road really sucks

 

[ggg]

thanks mark i personally thought that a 450 would dust a 300 but your telling me there very similar in saying that i should get a 300 and beat my mates on their 450's
cheers jim

450 gasser standard gearing is good for 156kms/95mph, blow away the 300 and at cruising speed 110kph its not reving its balls off and vibrating you off the seat
so no way a 300 can match the 450 for top speed or cruising in comfort.

 

[ggg]

In the WEC 250 2t are in the same class as 450 4t.
300 2t are in the same class as 500+ 4t,where the 4ts are just smoked.
That nambotin factory 300 has some serious bling.

He is not racing the bike and those tracks are not open ground, no 2s win the dakar or australian safari,beacuse they cannot compete in open terrian.

 

[ggg]

Your kidding I hope If you or your buddies don't know how to jet a 2 stroke then maybe that's not for you. That might drive you crazy. A modern FI 4 stroke while reliable enough is a pretty sophisticated piece of machinery. Especially important will be oil changes which should be done a a regular basis, proper air filter maintenance and keeping the important electrical stuff clean/dry and tight. Valve adjustments could be done by the dealer if you aren't comfortable doing that type of thing. Can you handle some of those things? Sounds like the 4 stroke is for you IMO.

10,000 kms on my 450 , one dealer valve check $100 dollars, you clean the filter the same as you would with a 2s, oil change every 7 -800kms and an oil filter every second change, thats it stuff all maintence, i bet you 2s has had more work done on it at the 10,000kms mark?? Piston/rings maybe a bigend.. oh but no that can be correct as evey 2s guy nows 4s maintenece is a lot more... total BS in the gassers 4s case.

GG 450 are like xrs and DRZ stuff all work required.

By the way i like 2s they have a place and when they can hold a constant speed that relates to me turning the throttle and not the band doing it for me with less engine vibratation complete with an oil injection system i will get one..

 

[Skidad]

10,000 kms on my 450 , one dealer valve check $100 dollars, you clean the filter the same as you would with a 2s, oil change every 7 -800kms and an oil filter every second change, thats it stuff all maintence, i bet you 2s has had more work done on it at the 10,000kms mark?? Piston/rings maybe a bigend.. oh but no that can be correct as evey 2s guy nows 4s maintenece is a lot more... total BS in the gassers 4s case.

GG 450 are like xrs and DRZ stuff all work required.

By the way i like 2s they have a place and when they can hold a constant speed that relates to me turning the throttle and not the band doing it for me with less engine vibratation complete with an oil injection system i will get one..

If you look at what I was commenting on it was NOT the fact that 4 strokes "might" require more maintenance than a 2 stroke it was the fact that he said he didn't know how to maintain a bike. I was pointing out the obvious important maintenance needed (2 or 4 stroke)

His quote

i just wanna fill her up and ride the thing electric start fuel injection no mixxing fuels no jetting required i dont know how to maintain a bike i just wanna ride the thing

FWIW my 1997 KTM 250 is on it's original lower end and gearbox. Motor has never been opened up. I just change the original clutch plates ONLY because I'm installing a Rekluse auto clutch so I figured why not. 2 pistons and a few sets of rings and that's it. The bike is ridden hard and has been raced. Yes, roads are not the 2 strokes forte and I am not a 4 stroke hater by any means. Excellent maintenance practice goes a loooong way 2 or 4 stroke.

 

[HuskyDude]

That's not correct, your not carrying around 270Lbs your riding on top of it, in open terrain the 4t is holding a constant speed not wanting to hit band /off band its not vibrating through the bars as much,
Everyone has a different riding style, that said I'm not talking of running down fire roads doing 50 mph. or open desert racing like the Dakar. I'm talking S/T stuff where you are man handling the bike not just sitting on top of it and turning the throttle. I ride with mostly 4T guys cuz I rode my Husky 510 with them everywhere. I love that bike. but at the end of the day you would feel pretty beat up. As far as "Powerbands go...maybe if you had a smaller displacement bike like a 125 or 200 that would matter more. But I can be very lazy in shifting my GG (if I chose to) and spend most of the day in 3rd gear. Have you tried a 300...there is no "Powerband" It's all just a very fluid controlled power. My Husky does vibrate...the GG well it just hums
the 4s is more stable over rocks ruts it doesn't deflect as much as a lighter 2 s, that's all adds up to less fatigue than a 2s,
After Les from LTR does your forks you don't even feel trail trash..you just float over everything.
if you are tipping the bike into corners flat out going up steep hills and tight terrain then yes it is easier with 30lbs less weight,
Is there any other type of riding than that?
but we are only talking about an 8% increase in total weight,
8%, 6%, 2%. I don't care the less weight I have to throw around the better.
2s also require generally more rider input with gear changes clutch work etc.
Same as above
A 4s can do every thing a 2s can with a bit more weight most noticeable in the tight stuff but a 2s on the open road really sucks

Been there, done that...and I really do have to disagree.

I love this place we all can have different opinions and still act like mature adults.
IMHO I love my 510 for open terrain...and I love my 300 for the S/T stuff.
and well the 280 is just plan fun and stands in a class all by itself.

 

[fkmf6]

Thats not correct, your not carrying around 270Lbs your riding ontop of it, in open terrian the 4t is holding a constant speed not wanting to hit band /off band its not vibrating through the bars as much, the 4s is more stable over rocks ruts it doesnt deflect as much as a lighter 2 s, thats all adds up to less fatigue than a 2s, if you are tipping the bike into corners flat out goin up steep hills and tight terrian then yes it is easier with 30lbs less weight, but we are only talking about an 8% increase in total weight, 2s also require generally more rider input with gear changes clutch work etc.

A 4s can do every thing a 2s can with a bit more weight most noticable in the tight stuff but a 2s on the open road really sucks

totally agree, as of tuesday i purchased the 450 and my brother got the 300 so we both have the best of both worlds

 

[fkmf6]

450 gasser standard gearing is good for 156kms/95mph, blow away the 300 and at cruising speed 110kph its not reving its balls off and vibrating you off the seat
so no way a 300 can match the 450 for top speed or cruising in comfort.

well said, now that my brother and i bought a 300 and 450 we can have the best of both worlds but i know for the riding we do in australia the 450 will be better package. i feel too many guys are mistaking us for racers and most would agree that on a 2t u must push harder and be more on the edge

 

[dank]

HA! my idea was good! (sort of) Enjoy!

 

[fkmf6]

HA! my idea was good! (sort of) Enjoy!

thanks buddy

 

[wence]

Good to see mate, hope you bought from Scotties???
Let us know how you go and what you think on each bike.A decent back to back review would be easy to do .
If you need anything for either bike give Scotties a call , they are very hard to beat on cost and extremely hard to beat for service..... best thing for you is they are in Victoria.
Cheers Mark

 

[bergerhag]

Cheers and good luck. Keep us posted.