Is the 13 worth it?

Thats why I want to ride my '07 with real forks, the 48s or a set of KYBs. In retrospect an '11 race would have been a better bike for me, more durable. If I find that the old bike with the new forks is 90% there, good by '12, not worth the trouble. Right now I'm looking at a way to cut/mod the inner fender so it will allow the outer to flex and not break everything in a crash. Its more like a sport bike than a dirt bike under there.:mad: Dumb.

Local riding has changed here lately, we are forced to go even more technical to reclaim some access. Vertical ledges involved.:eek: Its not a question of if I'll break the bike, but when.
 
Thats why I want to ride my '07 with real forks, the 48s or a set of KYBs. In retrospect an '11 race would have been a better bike for me, more durable. If I find that the old bike with the new forks is 90% there, good by '12, not worth the trouble. Right now I'm looking at a way to cut/mod the inner fender so it will allow the outer to flex and not break everything in a crash. Its more like a sport bike than a dirt bike under there.:mad: Dumb.

Local riding has changed here lately, we are forced to go even more technical to reclaim some access. Vertical ledges involved.:eek: Its not a question of if I'll break the bike, but when.

This sounds like us out here lots of verticals, I've been buying more parts than ever lately because the crashes get so bad) my 10 has held up tremendously considering the abuse I've put it threw
 
Interesting discussion about bike durability. I am happy enough with my 2011. I have had 3 significant crashes and tweaked the subframe each time. I thought fixing the subframe would be a pain, but it removes easily from the bike. I bolt the subframe to a custom jig and just bend it back straight.
I have a 1/4" thick skidplate and bash over logs with no worry. I like working on the bike due to the perimeter frame. The only frame I've had that I consider significantly beter (light plus sturdy) is from the old style Husaberg. It was fully welded tubing without a separate subframe.
If I was looking for a new bike, I'd seriously consider the Beta since it more closely resembles the older GasGas frame layout. I have no love for the current GG plastic frame construction since I can't easily work with it. The comments on finding a 2011 GG race model are spot on.
 
It really sounds like you are trying to find a bike that you can thrash about, roll down a hill, drop it off a ledge and expect it to come out unscathed. When such a bike is created, please let me know. It's like you guys keep anticipating all this damage to occur and it may never happen? I keep waiting for the sky to fall!

GMP, have you broken the sub frame on yours?

AZRickD, that 11 you keep waiting for is gonna be all worn out by the time it comes around...:rolleyes:
 
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Not quite that black and white. Terrain is what it is. You want to ride, and thats all you have, well you learn to ride it. I don't go out and trash my stuff for kicks. Considering where I ride, my bikes are in excellent shape, and truth is I don't crash that bad that often, but it does happen. The big difference is, if I crash and the bike tumbles/slides into a tree, an alloy subframe bends, or maybe even cracks. So, worst case I get a big stick or something for a lever and bend it back as needed, if neccessary, and fine tune it at home. With a '12, your totally screwed, as its shattered, and you most likely can't ride it out. Its also not cheap and quick to fix. The problem is the inner fender is too big and stiff, and also complex in its assembly. Too much load transferred to the subframe members, which are inherently weak and depend on all the steel inserts and cross braces for strength. A similar problem existed when GG used those old alloy fender support loops. I bent my '03 a lot more with that loop than without it. The fender needs to be more sacrificial, flex and break itself if neccessary without taking half the bike with it. This means a shorter inner fender. Its not rocket science.

No, I've never broken mine but came close in Hancock where the bike slid backwards down a very steep hill about thirty feet or so. So steep I slid and rolled and a tree stopped me when I rolled into the woods off the trail. The handguard caught a rock and stopped the bike before the rear hit a big slab of Bluestone.

So, back on main topic, like I said it depends on your use. GGs were always quirky and spotty in fit and finish, but we put up with it because when dialed in they worked great and were very tough bikes. Same applies now, except the tough part.:( I guess we traded that for more focus, but we shouldn't have too in 2013. I'm getting a little burned out fixing other peoples mistakes on my dime. I mean I like to tinker and make a good bike better, and I'm not a complainer, but I'm about done. I have Cannondale flashbacks sometimes.:eek: GG better stop this nonsense get there s%$t together or Beta, and soon Sherco with their new 2strokes, will take what little market share they have.

If the Japaneese giant ever wakes up, puts its head down and comes out with a true modern two stroke woods racer, there will be no reason to put up with any of this.
 
I fee like you read my mine with that last post, that says it all for me as well. I love gassers too but they have to start doing a much better job. This is like beating a dead horse because it keeps coming up thread after thread. your going to have unbiased opinions like I feel mine is, then you have opinions that seem like they can't discern between subjective opinion and plain old passion about something they don't want to here bad things about even if they are true. In all honesty it reminds me of my crew that are all ktm fans, they could make the bike out of butter and they'd find a way to defend why ktm did it which baffles me? I just want to ride the best bike period.
 
Unfortunately this proves my point.:( :mad:

If designed correctly and logically for intended use, this should be a simple outer fender replacement (even that is a bit too $$).
 
No, it's a completely different design, more like the Beta, and from what I can tell a different compound. Much more simple. Even the heavy 70 deg 4 strokes were fine.

Having been involved in projects involving molding complex parts, I suspect that the GG design is based on tooling that is more affordable. Smaller, relatively simple parts but more of them that require more complex assembly. Its no lighter than the older assy. The others are a more complex mold, but a better solution in the end. Pay me now or pay me later.


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AZRickD, that 11 you keep waiting for is gonna be all worn out by the time it comes around...

...and there's no tellin' what shape *I'm* gonna be in by then as I go in for neur ablation #2 next week.
 
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timberlinecycles.com has an '11 XC250 Race kicker for about 4 grand, it is a demo with about 30 hrs on it. Mike V is in Colorado Springs (it's not on his website). I was going to buy it and put my 07 300 jug on it. I would buy it today but I want the Xride next. My legs are too &^%$#@ short.

My only reservation about the Beta is the 2T engine... is it proven yet? I mean is it a new design or has it been used in other bikes?
 
Yesterday, I was stupidly ( but why I ride bikes) play racing with the lead rider on a new track ( ie new as looked cut for about a month) and we came round a bend and I sensed the tress thinning and hit the picks at about the same time the lead rider threw his bike down the 12 foot embankment and landed on his feet running then rolled down the embankment ( he is an ex pro rodeo rider and has spooky good balance), me not so lucky, bike (me) cross rutted and I flew off the embankment bounced once then heard the bike coming it bounced twice and slowly toppled onto me. No damage, the new alloy sub frame and higher pipe are good, I hope gg send the alloy sub to the states. My mate crf450x broke a brake lever. It flew 20 foot forward and 12 footdown. We were lucky
 
The 2013 has better suspension (bottoming resistance, performance range, grip)
Better frame (stable and still turns, ergos are easier for moving around, small increase in seat height), everything else is roughly the same as a six days.

If you ride trials like single track, don't get it, if you ride anything else you won't be disappointed.

Hi Simmo,

I consider to upgrade from 300 11 to 300 13 as well.
But most of my ride is technical trial, rocky, etc...
As i understand, you think that the 13 is less suitable for this riding style?could you elaborate on this?
 
The 11 has lower seat, pegs and centre of gravity and a tighter turning circle, so if ALL your riding is super technical running pace and below apart from getting to the start of you trails you'd probably not see what all the fuss is about with the 13 and miss the tighter turning circle.

If you do any fast flowing single track, open trails, grass track, rough fast stuff of any description, or racing then the 13 has a definite advantage and a worthy upgrade.

The 13 is definitely a trade off. Gasgas has sacrificed a small amount of trials like performance for big gains everywhere else, and it is still great in tight stuff, just not as exceptional as the old frame was in that respect.

All IMHO from riding/ owning both bikes. Hope it helps
 
The comparison based on the racing model or the standard?

In the standart we have sachs/zoke 45, and ohlins/zoke 48 in the racing, which much stiffer.
 
48 mm zokes/ ohlins on the 2013 (race model)

48 mm Sachs/Sachs on the 2011, and I also used the 2011 with ttx and revalved Sachs. Same essentially applies.
 
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