Official Weight Thread

Agreed Clay.

It's how they feel that counts. My Ktm is very well set up suspension wise, and handles extremely well, much better than some friend's Ktm's I've ridden. The 2011 GG isn't any quicker left and right than my bike, but does feel a bit smaller and just a touch lighter.

Crappy fire season flying wise this summer, so I'm going to keep the Ktm one more year and look at a 2013 GG 250 next summer.

Until then....!

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jayc said:
Sounds about right. My mostly stock '02 125xc with flatland rad guards, EE carbon pipe guard, FMF Q, and some kind of ugly bash plate (?) weighs 238 with an almost empty tank.

I've heard SO many stories of 235 pound 300s. I always knew they were BS.

JayC
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Before I set up Baxter's '05 EC/O 300, I weighed it.
Stock bike, no guards, with all fluids except for no fuel; I remember it weighing 234# on my digital UPS scales.
To get the weight accurate, I set the stand on the (400# capacity) scales and zeroed it before putting the bike on the stand. It's amazing how much the guards weigh.



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Have edited my earlier post to incluede new bike, but have added this post as edited post wont show up as new to anyone following this thread.

2010 gg ec 250f with half a tank of gas is 114kg.
 
That would be about 251 pounds on the Yammie 250 4T with your "half fuel" and about 243 pounds with no fuel.
 
My '06 EC300 brand new, stock out of the crate with full lights, turn signals, horn, speedo/odo [no mirrors, no engine oil, no fuel] weighed 237 lb. [107.5 kg].

The amount of weight that is added with aftermarket parts is surprising - kind of like those extra pounds when we eat too much. When I took off the turn signals and then added engine oil, a skid plate, handguards, pipe guard, radiator braces, HD rear tube, Ironman sprocket, LTR case saver, LTR power valve cover, spark arrestor, Clarke 3.2 gal tank, IMS pegs, brake snake, license plate and a Rekluse clutch the weight went up 19.5 lb [9 kg]

:eek:
 
I had the chance to do some pre-riding of sections five through nine of the Grizzly Enduro today in Fairview, Michigan. During the course of that adventure I swapped bikes with the kid I was with - my 2012 GasGas 300 for his 2009 YZ250F.

He smoked me through the section, and had a big grin on his face when I finally caught up to him. The first thing he said was that he couldn't believe how light the 300 felt compared to his bike :cool:

If memory serves correct the 250F weighs in at 216# versus the previously measured and reported 260# of the Gasser.
 
Four strokes always seem to feel a bit heavier, despite engineering them to that fine balance of light weight/durability.
 
Dry weight is really dry. No fork oil, shock oil, engine oil, coolant and batteries are not factored in when weighing "dry"
 
Just for comparison, I was curious about my 09WR450F that I have in "XC" mode. I have all the lights and EPA junk removed. Still have the kickstand and computer, plus Shorai battery, handguards, Flatlands Radiator Guards, Fastway pegs, the new plastic Moose Pro skid plate, and a YZF full exhaust. Approx 1/2 tank of fuel.

I zeroed the digital bathroom scale, weighed the front and rear wheel.

261.8 lbs.

I could probably lose another 5 lbs by removing the computer, odo cable, kickstand, and using the much lighter YZ rear fender instead of stock WR rear fender.

The fact that a race ready Enduro 450 weighs as much as a 2 stroke EURO 250/300 all dressed out is quite surprising to me.
 

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One thing that gets me about this is that a lot of people like how much more planted a four stroke handles than a two stroke, which is arguably due to the higher weight. A lot of people also like how flickable a two stroke is compared to a four stroke. It seems the GG offers the pluses of both 2 & 4 stroke in one machine. Not???
 
That has been my experience with the GasGas. Except it still isn't as stable in whoops as my WR's have been, but it makes up for it in other areas. I just really like the 450 motor. I would die to have the GG 450 with Yam motor. That would be a great combo.
 
If you want the GG to handle in whoops, add a longer chain and move the rear wheel back. Makes a pretty big difference but does slow the turning down some.
 
This was taken off of "Thumper Talk", I put it here because I didnt want to start a new thread.

This is very interesting for sure and there will be alot of Orange denial over this!..........

"OK, the shocking results. I used the one tire on the scale method, it was repeatable, so it seems to be accurate. The scale has not been calibrated so use it as a comparison rather than "actual" weights. I put every bike I had kicking around the shop this morning to give a good overall comparison. It's funny this started as a Gas Gas question because there were interesting results all around.

03 RM250- full woods setup, skid, rad, disc, wraparound hand guards 1 gallon gas --- 252lbs

07 WR450- full woods setup, skid, rad, disc, wraparound hand guards, every weight saving mod possible besides removing starter, 1/2 gallon gas --- 266lbs

11 Gas Gas Nambotin 300- skid plate, no hand guards, etc, 1.5 gallons fuel --- 252lbs

07 KTM 300XCW- skid plate, no hand guards, etc 1.5 gallons fuel --- 252lbs

XR650L- stock besides oversize tank 3.5 gallons fuel --- 358lbs

05 RM100- handguards 1.25 gallons fuel --- 174lbs

07 WR250- stock 1 gallon fuel --- 260lbs

00 KTM50 SX- stock- 1/2 gallon fuel --- 93lbs



I weighed a gallon of gas at 8lbs on my scale


Like I said shocking results. I swore my WR450 weighed 50lbs more than my RM, on the trail it feels like even more, but the result was 20lbs!
Another shocker is how heavy my RM is, it feels feather light, but set up for woods it weigh's the same as a GAS Gas/ KTM. Those bikes had a little more gas, my bike has more guards so I would really say it's a wash on which is lighter.

So there you have it. A Gas Gas is no heavier than a KTM 300, and the GG comes with lights and linkage, and that big ass muffler. In fact, with woods mods a Jap 250 is no lighter."
 
I'm not to shocked but like you I would have guessed the WR heavier. I think I'll weigh our bikes tomrrow ( 2011 TM 250MX, 2008 Husky CR165, 2005 RM250, 2010 Husky TC250 ) just to see where they come out against each other. Thanks.
 
I'm still amazed how planted the '12 chassis is. If I had to give the new bike a defining characteristic, that would be it.
 
So between this thread & the claim in Dirt Bike mag that the '13 kickstart 300 weighs 245 lbs. with no gas, I got curious after a ride & weighed mine. Bike is an '07 300EC, Marzocchi fork & Sachs shock. I used my trusty digital bathroom scale, that I have used for ~ 20 years. Differences from stock that might materially affect the weight:

~3/4 gal. of pre-mix
Watchdog enduro computer, bracket & cable
Scott's damper + collar & tower
tall top triple clamp
heavy-duty tubes, F & R
Fastway footpegs
small nylon fender tool bag, w/4 nuts & bolts & washers, no tools
tall seat foam
plastic skid plate
FMF Turbine core II spark arrestor/muffler
aftermarket power valve cover (more volume)
a little mud, probably several ounces' worth

result: 244.2 pounds, or 110.09 kilograms, for our metric friends. A new 1, stock, without all the stuff above, & no gas, is 245 lbs.? I don't see how. Even if the scales aren't calibrated to NASA standards, that's a big difference....
 
My '07 250 with a little more aluminum than yours in rad guards/braces, shark fin brake carrier and about a half tank of fuel was 252lbs., so that works out about right. Never weighed the '12 but I doubt its much lighter, although it feels light on the trail. Any weight savings the plastic subframe may provide is negated by all the hardware needed to put it together. Plus the bike holds more fuel. I actually started the last two races with less than a full tank to save weight and still had plenty left.
 
Manufactures are smart

I though a few of you may enjoy looking at the huge difference in weigh caused by tires and tubes. I have a Stock 2009 250 SX, 2005 300 and a 2011 300. I think the 250 SX was the lightest one KTM built. It also came with very light tires and tubes. When I put the same tires (Brand and size since the SX comes with a 19 inch wheel) and hardware on both bikes the real weight difference is 20 lbs of so. The sx does ride really light . I can take that super light feeling and have it go away by putting in ultra heavy duty tubes and heavy tires. I have been sucessful using Bridgestone heavy duty tubes with a variety of tire combinations. When it is dry and hard the trials tire goes on and I get over the weight by enjoying the traction.






Size Description Weight Lbs
19 Tube Light 1.44
19 Tube Light 1.56
19 Tube Light 1.54
21 Tube Light 1.68
21 Tube Light 1.67
21 Tube MSR Ultra heavy 1.92
21 Tube Bridgestone Ultra Heavy 3.42
18 Tublis 1.67
18 Tube Pirelli 1.35
18 Tube Bridgestone heavy 2.58
18 Tube Tuff Tube 2.41
18 Tube Bridgestone Ultra Heavy 4.17
21 Tire Dunlop 739 8.84
21 Tire Dunlop 756 7.66
21 Tire Pirrelli M 16 7.82
18 Tire Pirelli Trials 43 14
18 Tire Pirelli MT 32 120 11.96
18 Tire Pirelli MT 16 110 12.7
18 Tire Pirelli MX Extra 120 11.22
19 Tire Maxxis SI 110 12.92
19 Tire Dunlop 739 110 12.45
 
Odd how different bikes can weigh about the same yet feel so different regarding weight.

Some other things are tough to evaluate the weight of without a scale. I once dated this "big boned" girl, but she had a real pretty face, excellent flotation devices, and great personality. And she knew how to take care of her man. Funny how it all worked together to make her seem lighter...:eek:
 
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