Shop manual shows timing is adjustable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i93vw77r9kuszxs/gasgas%20workshop%20manual.pdf?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i93vw77r9kuszxs/gasgas%20workshop%20manual.pdf?dl=0
Spark plug insulator around electrode broke off in the motor
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TGM_OFFROAD
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Where? I have been through every page of the workshop manual several times and have never seen anywhere that shows it is adjustable. There is no stator plate, the pick up coil is bolted directly to the engine case.
Sorry.
You're right.
Did you have your CDI reflashed?
The new reflash retards the timing to prevent pinging at mid to wide open throttle openings.
TGM_OFFROAD
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I bought the bike used so I have no clue. When trying to find out through the local dealer they were no help and they no longer carry Gas Gas. I have a source who is going to give me a 19 cdi to use. Hopefully that does it. I took it out today and got the bike to run really smooth but it would still ping under heavy load like long hill climbs.
TGM_OFFROAD
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did you measure compression with a guage (just to have an idea if its not +200psi? try double stacking 2 base gaskets to lower compression as previously suggested? it seems like you're getting close to more riding then wrenchingkeep up the good courrage !!
I havent checked compression since the most recent rebuild was done but I did check it before and it was 180psi. It should be even lower than that since previously I had the rk tek head on and now its the gp head and it has over 1mm more squish then before. I am 90% sure the cdi is causing the issue. This has been going on for a long time.
TGM_OFFROAD
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So you are saying a stock Gas Gas head, is too high of compression for 100 octane fuel?
Zman
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I do not know what heads you have and if they have been modified. My point is that squish is independent of compression ratio.
I would assume that a stock unmodifed head should be fine for 100 octane fuel. I have been on this site for many years we have come across some factory built bikes that were machined differently than others and some bikes that were shipped with different parts.
Your detonation situation seems out of the ordinary so I would assume nothing.
I would assume that a stock unmodifed head should be fine for 100 octane fuel. I have been on this site for many years we have come across some factory built bikes that were machined differently than others and some bikes that were shipped with different parts.
Your detonation situation seems out of the ordinary so I would assume nothing.
TGM_OFFROAD
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It is really odd, it had done it with my stock gp head, rk tek head set for pump gas and the s3 low compression and high compression head. It passes a pressure test with flying colors so no air leaks. My only other thought is timing which would have to be a cdi issue on this model. Hopefully I can get a new one tomorrow or wed.
TGM_OFFROAD
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Br8eg as the manual specifies
Considering it does it with all the head inserts you mention I doubt the problem is compression ratio. If it would be close to the technical limit then pinging would stop or at least be reduced by using 100 octane or race gas.
I agree that trying another/updated CDI could solve the problem. The BR8EG is the more expensive brother of the BR8ES and both are cooler than what other brands, like KTM, use in their 300's. I think it has nothing to do with the spark plugs...
TGM_OFFROAD
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So I did get 3 new to me cdis to use, the first one I tried at home seems to be easier starting and the bike sounds different so I am optimistic but won't know for sure until I get out on the trail.
Yep, sounds good. My dealer said the purpose of the CDI update on my GP 300 was easier starting.
When I bought my first and later my second 2019 EC I asked him about the update but he said it is not necessary on the 2019's. Unfortunately I do not know why.
As the 2019 does not have the Hydria Ignition System anymore I assume that the 2019 CDI is different.
When I bought my first and later my second 2019 EC I asked him about the update but he said it is not necessary on the 2019's. Unfortunately I do not know why.
As the 2019 does not have the Hydria Ignition System anymore I assume that the 2019 CDI is different.
Zman
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I did some research with different CDIs on my GG300. The bigger engine did not "like" the smaller bike 125 and 200 CDIs. It would flame out at very low rpm, it was difficult to start and it was prone to detonation. Maybe your bike came with the wrong CDI, the CDI failed or that CDI was build with the wrong parts.
TGM_OFFROAD
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I have tried to research the cdi that came with the bike, but there is limited info out there that I could find and the part numbers are confusing.
The p/n on the cdi that was in the bike is ee51100ct-clk-1 but all the info I found shows ee51100ct-clb-1 as the stock cdi.
Detonation was definetly and issue and it did also seem to flame out from time to time but being my first 300 and coming off of a flame out king YZ450 I thought it might just be normal.
I am hoping to take the bike out tomorrow for a real ride but everything is day to day right now with all the lock downs in place due to COVID19
TGM_OFFROAD
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So I switched over the cdi with the stock jetting and wow what a difference. The power picks up from the bottom with little to no hesitation and pulls all the way through. Zero pinging or detonation. Pulled a longish hill climb wide open amd got to the top and the idle dropped right down where it should be. The bike sounds completely different and feels like I thought a 300 would. I am finding out that prior to this my bike was extremely under powered especially in the low end. I lugging in 3rd and 4th gear in placed where prior to this I would need second or even first. I will get a video up soon but damn I am excited. This was a long expensive journey but I am soooo happy with this bike now and just want to get back out and ride. Its too bad the timing is horrible with the covid 19 pandemic and riding areas getting shut down till this is over.
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