under powered EC200

[fury1]

your bike has been derestricted and doesnt still have the stock pipe with the catalytic pipe and all the air tubes and such right?

 

[geoff g]

sorry....misprint....27HP @ 8920 rpm ( not 17500rpm as stated ) sorry...sorry
correct pipe is fitted and is de-restricted

 

[GMP]

Backing up a bit, I asked if everything was in order, that includes the Power Valve. The '07s sure as hell should have a dual map CDI. IF everything else checks out, I wonder if you could have a CDI from a 250/300 by mistake. The ignition curves are softer on the bigger bikes and would make the 200 feel like a dud. I know because the old XC250s used 200 CDIs for more snap, and it was a big difference from the older EC250 CDIs. A CDI from an '00 XC250 really woke up my '03 EC250. Cruiser here had similar results.

Don't get so hung up on dyno numbers, they are all over the map depending on the dyno and conditions. If the bike is running that bad you will know it when its fixed.

 

[geoff g]

Glenn, I dont give a toss what the dyno prints out, it just confirmed that it has been underpowered from new, MY 07' EC200 DID NOT come delivered to me with a dual map switch, it seems that the 200 is different to the 250 / 300 in as much as it doesnt have the reed spacer or the map switch.
Cheers

 

[2 strokes 4 life]

Glenn, I dont give a toss what the dyno prints out, it just confirmed that it has been underpowered from new, MY 07' EC200 DID NOT come delivered to me with a dual map switch, it seems that the 200 is different to the 250 / 300 in as much as it doesnt have the reed spacer or the map switch.
Cheers

200s in most places did come with a Dual-mapped ignition, and some 250s did not have a reed spacer as well.

To be safe pull the part # off the ignition to see if it is a CDI or ignition for a 250 or 300.

Also, what ignition do you have (2k2 or 2k3)?

 

[geoff g]

Hi guys, just checked the number on the CDI ME250634007 is this the correct one for the 200 ? also checked my owners handbook which shows the dual map switch....but not fitted ? thanks for all your help. Glenn, the power valve is fully opening but not sure at what revs it starts to open ( should be 1400rpm )
Cheers

 

[Skidad]

That part # matched the 2006 CDI NOT the 2007 which is ME250534007. Might want to check into that or have someone else with a 07 200 look at theirs or an 08 even which is the same.

EDIT...07 parts diagram has it listed in 2 different spots with different #'s. NICE huh. One matches the number you gave and the other matches the one I listed. Who knows???

200/250/300 all use the same CDI according to the GG Spain parts diagrams. That just doesn't seem right to me. Wonder if a KTM 125 or 200 CDI would work? Same ignition.

 

[2 strokes 4 life]

Well I know you can go to a 200 CDI and get a much more aggresive power on a EC250. So they can not be the same and the Gofasters site has different #s.

If the button is not equiped then it might just be a plug near the tank, CDI, headlight area somewhere. Just like the KTMs.

 

[Skidad]

So they can not be the same and the Gofasters site has different #s.

QUOTE]

Where do you get part #'s on the Go Fasters site? I see none, just descriptions of the parts in the fiche.

 

[widebear]

At this point you might want to check your static ign timing, on the 250 I run 1.5 mm btdc

 

[2 strokes 4 life]

Sorry I had Gofasters in my head, I ment my small parts list from gasgaspacific.

 

[Boomhauer]

Geoff,

Look up the user Billy Burns. He rode the national last year on an ec 200 and did many things to his bike to make it good. He is a super nice guy and will give you any info you need.

Boomer

 

[Wino]

just wanting to confirm what Geoff is saying.

I have the same bike (2008) and mine is just the same. I'm very underwhelmed with it's power.
I've checked all the usual suspects as well. I think what Geoff is trying to say with the dyno results is that the results just confirm the seat of the pants type of testing sugest.

Geoff,
if you look at the wiring diagram you can see where the dual map switch should be, and the colour codes for the two wires, connect (or disconect) those wires (located under the seat @ the CDI unit)... I've tried this and it didn't make any difference that I could determine.

 

[geoff g]

wino, can you check the part # on your CDI to compare with mine ? and maybe the part # for the pipe ? ....thanks

 

[Wino]

wino, can you check the part # on your CDI to compare with mine ? and maybe the part # for the pipe ? ....thanks

I checked the CDI part number today, same
and from memory (of previous conversations) the part number for the pipe is also a match with yours.

 

[(F5)]

Hi, not sure if this will help, but a few points, many of which have been covered, but as a comparison.

There are dyno’s & Dynos. Some measure high. Claimed figures are typically heaps more than at the wheel.

I have an ’02 with Messico pipe, likely same as in Auss. But who knows if the pipes & ports have changed in the mean time.

I was always fairly happy with mine but went seeking more low & midrange. I removed one base gasket & machined the head to give ~ 0.8mm or so squish. I machined out a little metal to reduce the com down to ~ 15:1 & run ½ av, ½ 91 pump. Carbontech reeds, LTR jetkit. 197 comp reading.

This picked the bike up right through the range. I didn’t do a before sorry but seat of pants would indicate say 2hp through range. Very happy, can lug down for hills, pick wheel up with ease, I don’t need more. But it still isn’t a 250 (though much easier to ride). I’ll try & post pic for comparison, can’t remember if this site is ok for pics.

Above 30 from 7400 – 9500. Peak 32.

Road tyre on a conservative Dynojet. So yeah I’d suspect ~ 30, but not 38.

 

[geoff g]

F5, thanks for your input but that dyno chart for the 02 shows over 5hp more than mine. I put mine on the dyno to try and tune it for more performance only to find that it was way down on hp.....gg used to advertise hp for all models eg: 38hp ec200, 49.84hp ec250 etc.. I am not trying to hot mine up with machining and pipes etc ( people spend $$$ on pipes just for an extra 2hp )I just want it to perform as it should do from new, I am still waiting for the comparison from Spain so will keep you all up to date as i find out..Cheers

 

[2 strokes 4 life]

I spend money on pipes just to change where the power is not more of it. My Gnarly is strong from the bottom to mid and falls off at the top really early.

The Messico is really smooth but has more top end than the FMF.

I now have a DOMA that I hear is awsome just like the Messico but with more hit and top end.

 

[(F5)]

Yeah I'd forget what they advertise straight away. You will never see it at the rear wheel from any manufacturer. I'd move on from that. I didn't post mine as a brag, I mean a 250 will whup it (or a healthy mx125 possibly), but I didn't want a 250.

As a comparison the 'shape' shouldn't be wildly different if you are running a Messico (assuming they haven't changed them for other years). If it is quite different it may point to a change to investigate. I mean I'm assuming you've checked the reeds aren't damaged, powervalve & airleaks maybe to consider esp in that reed area. As I originally said I felt seat of pants dyno that I'd picked up say 2 through the range, it would of course have been far more useful if I had a std one to post, but this was all I had

 

[101racing]

gas gas 200 06

I am going to a rb designs plate in my carb but i was wondering what pipe to get does fmf do a pipe just for the gas gas 200 or should i get the right gas gas pipe and does anyone know what is the parts number for that.
thanks