2011 Race model or Cervantes
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Clay
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Sure....we can do that. At $1.46 per Euro, that will add another $500 to the retail price. I would love to give the US customers every piece of bling that Gas Gas offers but it comes at a price. If the dollar stays this weak, the 2012's will have a substantial price increase. If we add all of the stuff that the Six Days has on it, the bike will be close to $9000. We decided that we would take the Race model without the spares kit and some of the other upgrades like the Twinwall bars. We still get the excellent new Marzocchi 48mm fork and an Ohlins 888 shock. And against the orange bike, we still have a headlight, FMF spark arrestor, map switch and Galfer rotors. Please remember that Gas Gas builds 1/10th the number of motorcycles that KTM does. It is really difficult to be price competitive with them.
If the concern is that there are too many models, then why not add the 48mm zokes to the standard EC, up the price the necessary amount, and drop the race model. Based on what I see the front end is the only glaring difference between the two. Don't want to lose the bling factor of the 6-Days models
nambo-trev
New member
I love threads like this
clay must almost loose his mind every year with all the varying opinions on what "the masses" want. It's strange to here about the high price of the gassers compared to ktms in the states with the bling factor. Up here in Canada you get way more for your money with a gas gas. A sixdays 300 is 1000 bucks cheaper than a base 300xc ktm. I'll go with a gas gas any day. In the last 3 years up here in our group alone we've had 4 gas gas converts who came from another brand because of there great parts list sweet motor and a hell of a deal compared to a ktm! Hard to please everyone but I think I get great value for my money with these bikes
clay must almost loose his mind every year with all the varying opinions on what "the masses" want. It's strange to here about the high price of the gassers compared to ktms in the states with the bling factor. Up here in Canada you get way more for your money with a gas gas. A sixdays 300 is 1000 bucks cheaper than a base 300xc ktm. I'll go with a gas gas any day. In the last 3 years up here in our group alone we've had 4 gas gas converts who came from another brand because of there great parts list sweet motor and a hell of a deal compared to a ktm! Hard to please everyone but I think I get great value for my money with these bikes
Clay
Banned
LOL!
We made that request when we were over there. Somehow I don't think it translated very well because it has been going the other way since we got home.
Clay
Banned
To be quite candid about the whole situation with the Six Days......I made a major pricing error last fall on that model. I was unaware of all of the bling that bike had when I got the price and I tried to be competitive with the orange company with a bike that had more 'stuff' on it. That bike should have been about $300 higher at MSRP. So, if we brought in the Six Day in 2012, it would have gone up $300. Now with the weakening dollar there would be another price increase. Do you really want a Six Day with a 48mm fork for $9000? Maybe a few of you do but I doubt a few hundred do. When the dollar is this weak, it's easier to build a basic motorcycle with the best major components and let the customer add the bling that he can afford when he can afford it.
Clay
Banned
I love threads like this
Trevor......I'm glad my mental anguish amuses you!
Seriously....It's hard making everybody happy on a product that people have so much passion for. I'm the same way.
Hey....I got an idea.....Maybe they should buy a Nambo or Cervantes Replica!
Skidad
New member
Will the base model be coming with the new 48mm Marzocchi forks? PLEASE tell me yes as it's time for the 45's to go IMHO. 48's, Ohlin shock and no e-start is a good base model. Suspension is king.
While I love the Six Day bikes dearly everything is available somehow/someway to duplicate it if you really want to. Just takes time, effort and money.
So a Race model gets you what exactly? 48's and Ohlins for sure but with stiffer springs/valving? Perhaps the Race model should get the TTX shock and not just the Nambotin/Cervante Replicas. Me thinks this would be a good idea, especially considering no spares kit now.
Are the Replicas coming and how many of each? Just curious.
While I love the Six Day bikes dearly everything is available somehow/someway to duplicate it if you really want to. Just takes time, effort and money.
So a Race model gets you what exactly? 48's and Ohlins for sure but with stiffer springs/valving? Perhaps the Race model should get the TTX shock and not just the Nambotin/Cervante Replicas. Me thinks this would be a good idea, especially considering no spares kit now.
Are the Replicas coming and how many of each? Just curious.
GMP
Active member
You gettin' a '12 too? I agree with Clay, give me a basic motorcycle at the best possible price with good components and let me decide how to set it up and spend on bling. I for sure will change a bunch of stuff anyway, like a 48t sprocket that is useless. One man's bling fills another man's OEM spares box on the shelf.
nambo-trev
New member
But then what will we all argue about?
Clay
Banned
Absolutely the new 48mm Zokes on the 12 models. A TTX shock is going to put us over $9000 so we won't do that. The shock and fork will have the same springs this year as in the rest of the world. It may turn out to be too light for us. If so, we'll change that next year. It's hard to get everything we want in one year.
Keep in mind that the Mexican colors looked good on the Gas Gas. They looked horrible on the KTM IMHO. It's just a matter of time before the Six Days is in a country that has colrs that look bad on our bike and then we won't be able to sell them.
The Replica bikes are supposed to ship next week. Yes they are coming.
Clay
Banned
Clay
Banned
Good point. I remember a discussion we had at KTM. There was a room full of sales guys who wanted US type closed end hand guards. We all agreed on that. What we couldn't agree on is what type. Some wanted the Enduro Engineering straight type and some wanted the Cycra type with the dip in them. Since 13 sales guys couldn't agree, we decided not to ask the factory for any of those and let the customer add what he wanted. What one guy thinks is a great choice is a stupid choice in another person's opinion. That means the money spent on the accessories is wasted for half of the customers. An OEM tries to hit a mid point and let the customer add what HE wants.
nambo-trev
New member
That's exactly why I think the base model with a great starting point is such a good idea. I mean think about it, the few extras that come on the six days we all usually pick up eventually anyway( skid plate, rad braces etc.) so why not start out with a great frame,motor and suspension and put the money where you want it to go. If you want bling and the trick parts( ttx suspension, braking rotors etc) then you have the replica models but it has to come at a cost.
Couldn't agree more.... you nailed it
