2014 Pics and Ride Report

I help out at a local 1 man cycle shop on the weekends and I had the chance yesterday to weigh the 2014 GG 300 E-start as it was being built out of the crate. Bear with me as I will attempt to avoid questions about equipment and methodology as well as my loyalty to the GG brand (and lack of "disdain" for other brands). I used my personal calibrated Tanita scale that is pretty much new and would display weight in 0.2 lb increments (for example 2.2 lbs or 1.0 kg with only even numbered "tenths" displayed). The scale samples weights over a "settle" period and locks the value for reading so numerous readings were made to determine the vaidity of the "settled weight" and each measurement settled on the same weight for the same item being weighed. The shop scale was used as a control and all weights only varied by roughly 0.2 lbs (0.01 kg for the metrically enabled folks) for all 12 or so bikes we weighed. Standard "room temperature", elevation of about 5280 feet (roughly 1609 meters), and humidity was a little high but within the operational range for the scale. Method used to weigh was tried between putting scale and bike on stand (skid plate on scale) and weighing front/back wheels while other wheel was on a wooden block of the same height as the scale (once again, a 0.2 difference was all that was seen when there was a difference...). In sum, I believe the test setup and these results to be accurate as anything else other than going to the National Bureau of Standards and having them perform the tests. As for me, I have an Engineering Degree, I've owned 5 GGs over the last 11 years, I've owned and ridden KTMs since the late '70s (I currently have more vintage KTMs than GGs), and I am restoring a 1980 Beta open class motocrosser...I have never owned or ridden a Sherco. I like all bikes and brands (except Honda...no real reason except for "superiority attitude" of Honda owners) and am fine with 4Ts and 2Ts (however, I really only like to trail ride 2Ts). I don't own stock certificates in any bike manufacturer and I don't have any personal involvement with any motorcycle publication that is currently in existence and where you can find current information on motorcycles. I hope I answered all questions up front as to weighing methods and allegiances.

Here is the weight for a 2014 GG 300 E-Start, US edition, with no oil in the transmission nor any gasoline in the tank (suspension has fluid as well as radiator): 251.6 lbs (114.4 kg) including the battery, pegs, skid plate, and keys for ignition and steering lock. As a side note, the stock battery weighed 5 lbs (2.27 kg) in the cardboard box it was in, the steel footpegs with pins and springs weighed 1.2 lbs (0.55 kg) for the pair, and the hand guards weighed 0.6 lbs (0.27 kg) for the pair.

I also had the chance to weigh a new, never started, no oil in the transmission, no gasoline ever in the tank, 2011 GG 300 Six Days (US edition, not electric start). It is totally stock and complete with the addition of an Enduro Engineering kickstand spring relocator for ease of display in the shop. The weight? 238 lbs even (108.2 kg)

Finally, the Shop owner has a 1997 GG 250 EC (counter balanced motor) that was ridden by Paul Edmondson at the ISDE in Oklahoma, USA and then put back to stock plastic with Dunlop tires. The bike had oil in the transmission but no gas in the tank or carb. Weight: 246 lbs (111.8 kg).

There you have it!

Eric
 
coopernicus said:
I help out at a local 1 man cycle shop on the weekends and I had the chance yesterday to weigh the 2014 GG 300 E-start as it was being built out of the crate. Bear with me as I will attempt to avoid questions about equipment and methodology as well as my loyalty to the GG brand (and lack of "disdain" for other brands). I used my personal calibrated Tanita scale that is pretty much new and would display weight in 0.2 lb increments (for example 2.2 lbs or 1.0 kg with only even numbered "tenths" displayed). The scale samples weights over a "settle" period and locks the value for reading so numerous readings were made to determine the vaidity of the "settled weight" and each measurement settled on the same weight for the same item being weighed. The shop scale was used as a control and all weights only varied by roughly 0.2 lbs (0.01 kg for the metrically enabled folks) for all 12 or so bikes we weighed. Standard "room temperature", elevation of about 5280 feet (roughly 1609 meters), and humidity was a little high but within the operational range for the scale. Method used to weigh was tried between putting scale and bike on stand (skid plate on scale) and weighing front/back wheels while other wheel was on a wooden block of the same height as the scale (once again, a 0.2 difference was all that was seen when there was a difference...). In sum, I believe the test setup and these results to be accurate as anything else other than going to the National Bureau of Standards and having them perform the tests. As for me, I have an Engineering Degree, I've owned 5 GGs over the last 11 years, I've owned and ridden KTMs since the late '70s (I currently have more vintage KTMs than GGs), and I am restoring a 1980 Beta open class motocrosser...I have never owned or ridden a Sherco. I like all bikes and brands (except Honda...no real reason except for "superiority attitude" of Honda owners) and am fine with 4Ts and 2Ts (however, I really only like to trail ride 2Ts). I don't own stock certificates in any bike manufacturer and I don't have any personal involvement with any motorcycle publication that is currently in existence and where you can find current information on motorcycles. I hope I answered all questions up front as to weighing methods and allegiances.

Here is the weight for a 2014 GG 300 E-Start, US edition, with no oil in the transmission nor any gasoline in the tank (suspension has fluid as well as radiator): 251.6 lbs (114.4 kg) including the battery, pegs, skid plate, and keys for ignition and steering lock. As a side note, the stock battery weighed 5 lbs (2.27 kg) in the cardboard box it was in, the steel footpegs with pins and springs weighed 1.2 lbs (0.55 kg) for the pair, and the hand guards weighed 0.6 lbs (0.27 kg) for the pair.

I also had the chance to weigh a new, never started, no oil in the transmission, no gasoline ever in the tank, 2011 GG 300 Six Days (US edition, not electric start). It is totally stock and complete with the addition of an Enduro Engineering kickstand spring relocator for ease of display in the shop. The weight? 238 lbs even (108.2 kg)

Finally, the Shop owner has a 1997 GG 250 EC (counter balanced motor) that was ridden by Paul Edmondson at the ISDE in Oklahoma, USA and then put back to stock plastic with Dunlop tires. The bike had oil in the transmission but no gas in the tank or carb. Weight: 246 lbs (111.8 kg).

There you have it!

Eric
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Great info, however 26+ lbs more than its KTM competitor?!?!? And 6 lbs more than a KTM exc 500 !This bikes not even in the same ball park as the other 300s
 
braddenning said:
Great info, however 26+ lbs more than its KTM competitor?!?!? And 6 lbs more than a KTM exc 500 !This bikes not even in the same ball park as the other 300s[\B]
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Really, your making this statement based solely on weight? Your probably better of riding a pumpkin then, as clearly so long as it is one whole tank of fuel lighter, but handles worse and is twitchy as up the front end it's a "Better bike".

I'm 95kg naked and whilst I'm sure some ride reports have been done on me in the past, (most of which were no doubt negative) I highly doubt the lighter dudes were classed as a better ride just because they were 10kg lighter....

Everyone knows the bigger the ride the better they ride as they don't know when they'll get ridden again ;-)
 
Thank goodness I was not "in the same ballpark" as the orange 300s behind me at my last hare scrambles. Good info, bad summary.
 
n_green said:
Really, your making this statement based solely on weight? Your probably better of riding a pumpkin then, as clearly so long as it is one whole tank of fuel lighter, but handles worse and is twitchy as up the front end it's a "Better bike".

I'm 95kg naked and whilst I'm sure some ride reports have been done on me in the past, (most of which were no doubt negative) I highly doubt the lighter dudes were classed as a better ride just because they were 10kg lighter....

Everyone knows the bigger the ride the better they ride as they don't know when they'll get ridden again ;-)
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I could never get along with my KTM300xc because of the front end. I much prefer a heavier bike, because they are much more planted to me.
 
Braddenning,

To be fair, one cannot use my weights in direct comparison to other tests or claims using different equipment. I plan on taking my scale to a willing KTM dealer and ask if I can weigh a KTM 300 on the floor. The official KTM Factory website even lists weight without fuel as "approximate" so what one thinks they know is not necessarily true. I notice you are using the lightest weight KTM 300 for your camparison but a truer comparison would be to use the 300 XC that has linkage which weighs, according to the KTM website, an "approximate" 229.1 pounds (without fuel...but also without DOT tires, lights, hand guards, skid plate, euro street legal switches, steering lock, full coverage graphics including on the rim, and a spark arrestor). That's a claimed 22.5 pound difference from my actual measurement. If you want to compare to the PDS model, then that is a different solution to the "off road/enduro question" and is not really accurate for "keyboard comparisons". The PDS is a different solution and if that is what one wants one can only choose that or find an older ATK/Cannondale. BTW, if I'm not mistaken, the latest model of a KTM PDS 300 weighs more than my old ATK 406 (218 pounds with no gas) which came with a spark arrestor. That being the case, where is the outrage over that? I can hear it now, though, that the ATK is not watercooled, it does not have blah-blah-blah, etc. Just like my list above as to what the GG has and the KTM 300XC does not. That's why folks should make their own comparisons to like subjects. My point is that anyone can find justification for their ideas and beliefs. That's okay...it's human nature. I personally think KTMs are great bikes, so are the Betas, so are the Shercos...Heck, I really like Hondas when I ride them even though I "hate" Hondas. I never fault anyone for buying what they want because that is the best reason: It's what they want. Before my 2014 300 E-start ever gets a drop of gas in it, I plan on changing tires, exhaust, and removing the items that KTM does not provide in order to get a more "apples to apples" comparison when I get the chance to weigh the KTM 300 XC. Once it's complete and I start riding, I will take my scale with me riding this year and see how much ready to ride KTMs really are (the scale will be in the truck and not riding for all of the snarky internet folks!). That should be eye opening!

One last thing so everyone knows where I'm coming from before folks start saying "what does he know": I'm a former AMA District 6 Hare Scrambles number one, competed in 250A in AMA National Hare Scrambles, I've won my class at a National Enduro, I have a room with a lot of ECEA enduro trophies/plaques, and I have a BS in Engineering. Now, with all of that and $5.00 I can get a coffee at Starbucks!

Eric
 
This whole weight topic is getting very old!!! If you own and ride a GG you all know these are one of the best handling bikes to ride with one of the best low torque motors. If you want to ride a orange pumpkin like everyone else then more power to you. But If want to be a bit different and ride without having to work hard and exhausted then ride a GasGas!!!


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It's really something this weight issue ... it's the only thing they can throw at GG... pathetic ...
Whenever I feel I'm being "looked down" by the kool-aid gang it simply puts a grin on my face to know they are riding an overpriced, unstable, difficult to turn and unbalanced "ready to race" piece of history :D
For all you that have a clear knowledge of what a great handling bike should be get a GG (at least) . For all the rest, there's a KTM.
 
Who cares if they weigh a few more pounds , I just want to ride :D , I've never had I bike that steers so well and I don't want to be the same as every other guy on the line , I'm out for a night ride with a guy that's just got a 2014 300 sherco , I may grab a go on that to see if I'm missing something ...... But I'll bet I'm still happy with my bike
 
I'm not offended at all about the weight conversation on the bikes, in fact I'm entertained by it. I'm more comfortable on my GGs than any KTM I've thrown a leg over so I keep riding them.

Interesting...
I have a 2011 300 6-days like the one weighed by Coopernicus earlier, so I started looking at the numbers a little more. The GG 6-days came in at 238 lbs (no fuel/oil) with a skid plate and headlight. When I bought mine, the first thing I did was remove the headlight and put on a nice light Honda number plate. That's ~3 lbs (guess), so maybe the 6-days is down to 235 lbs. The 2014 KTM300XC claims a weight of 229 with no headlight and no skid plate (bare bones) so add an aluminum EE skid plate to that at about 4 lbs and now your at 233 lbs. Hmmmmm. So in reality at roughly the same weight the GG has a more stable feel on the trail and turns better.

To the 2014 GG: Headlight + battery + electric start (bulky) with no oil or fuel it's 251 lbs. The only offered U.S. version which is a bummer. 5 lbs battery, 4-5 lbs bulky electric starter (you can remove), the headlight ~3 lbs. ~12 lbs of stuff to remove to make it similar to the 2014 KTM300XC (229 lbs claimed). 229 vs 239 lbs.....

Get one and you'll probably choose your favorite skid plate, bark busters, foot pegs, graphics, radiator guards.....bla bla bla.... adding a lot of weight to both bikes. ~10 lbs is nothing unless your curling the bike or carrying it out of the woods on your back. This has been a load of crap thrown out by pumpkin surfers because they love talking up the pumpkin pie. I'll bet this subject has scared some away from trying a GG. The flaws of the 2012s didn't help any....I bought one, and then sold it. It's a shame that the 2011s were becoming popular here in Va when they showed up and the 2012s knocked about half of those riders back to some other brand. GG dropped the ball big time as the opportunity to grab a huge chunk of the Eastern woods racing/Enduro market slipped through their fingers, leaving the door open for Beta and Sherco.

GG should ship a 2014 Race version stripped down like the orange XC model so it can dispel the myth of "excessively heavy."

Possible I missed something, feel free to correct me if my reading of the numbers is out to lunch.
 
quote from Country Cycles in KTMtalk classifieds
O K Here you go. On Our Super accurate Shipping Scale L O L (It is pretty accurate) The new 2014 300XC E weighs 229lbs 4 oz and that is with a Shorai battery and about 1/2 gallon of fuel so figure the Battery at 1.7 lbs lighter then the stocker. So a and a bit over 230lbs my guess is about 6-7lbs worth of E start but it do's sping it over better then a KTM 250 or 300. Tomorrow I will weigh the 2013 300XC E for Poops and Giggles also I will convert the the K G to lbs to see how accurate GAS GAS reports
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Weight topic=Zzzzzzz!

As of yesterday my riding buddy has parked his new 13' kx450f in my garage. Its shiny, and I have zero desire to swing a leg over it. Just goes to show you ride what you like regardless of what the media tells you. That is unless you are media driven?

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Hahah! My 2013R feels loads heavier to 'lift' in the shed than my 2010. On the trail it feels narrower between the knees and equally as nimble, with perhaps a bit more high speed stability.

We've been over it numerous times. The horse has stopped kicking long ago and is starting to resemble mince now.

While everyones hung up on numbers, the gassers extra weight generally equates to stability and durability. Both very attractive traits in a dirt bike. The only area where I think ktm/berg(sky) have the upper hand is in the overall fit and finish, and dedicated suspension suppliers. It feels like Gas Gas sources its bits from different places every year (and sometimes even during a year). How many combinations of Sachs (shocks and forks)/Marzocchi (various sized forks)/Ohlins (shocks and forks) have there been over the years?
 
And now we have Reiger shocks to deal with. From what I've heard, (which is very very little) The shocks will be good. But every day I look at this forum hoping for a decent review of the bike and the initial impressions of the shock. I'm tempted to buy a new bike this year, but I'd like a lot to have SOME feedback of the new shock first..

Is there any info out there?
 
n_green said:
And now we have Reiger shocks to deal with. From what I've heard, (which is very very little) The shocks will be good. But every day I look at this forum hoping for a decent review of the bike and the initial impressions of the shock. I'm tempted to buy a new bike this year, but I'd like a lot to have SOME feedback of the new shock first..

Is there any info out there?
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Not any info, but thought it was a cool video of the factory and seeing some of the machining done to build the shocks. Do a search on Rieger. You will come up with quite a bit of info. They seem to be a well known secret if that makes sense? They are a company that will take your great suspension and make it outstanding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA4Mzn21eN4
 
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