50T vs 48T Sprocket - EC200?

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Looking for opinions, my 200 has a 48t sprocket and I've been contemplating a move to 50t (or even 52t). I'm still learning how to ride it, but think this might help when I need to get the front end up and over things - while not being on the pipe and worry about looping it.

The bike is geared really well as it is, but I miss the effortless loft of the front from the torque I had on the 300.

I'm not worried about top speed at all since 95% of everything I ride is tight and twisty.

Thanks!
 
Front

Whats your front? If its a 13 try a 12 cheaper and easier
I'll run a 12 -13 50 depending on what time of year = riding conditions
On my 300 with the 12 it basically makes 2nd gear 1st And i'll do most of my riding in 3rd almost to crawling speeds- 15-20mph
Stoby
 
I run 12t 50t on my 200. Seems to work good for me. With clean jetting and a tap on the clutch it will lift the front with ease.
 
I wouldn't recommend 12 tooth on anything. It increases wear on the chain considerably. It's good for minimal riding IMHO. Changing the rear sprocket is the best long term option.
 
Whats your front? If its a 13 try a 12 cheaper and easier

I'll run a 12 -13 50 depending on what time of year = riding conditions

On my 300 with the 12 it basically makes 2nd gear 1st And i'll do most of my riding in 3rd almost to crawling speeds- 15-20mph

Stoby


Why not use stock gearing and run in first and second gear instead? Lower gearing only makes the gears shorter.
 
I love my 12T. The big 52T rear sprocket didn't fit well in the chain guide and made everything closer to the rocks that we have in Arizona.

I change my chain every two years along with the sprockets whether they need it or not. No difference in cost to me, and the front counter sprocket is much cheaper than the rear.
 
gear

Why not use stock gearing and run in first and second gear instead? Lower gearing only makes the gears shorter.

1st gear is almost useless anyway, using 2nd as my 1st spreads the power out a little more and 3rd does most of the work. Most of my riding is tight singletrack W/rocks ,roots, rocks, trees ,rocks ,holes ,rocks,ruts ,hills and rocks. Rarely am I going over 20 and when it opens up 5th& 6th get me about as fast as I want to go. If i know I'm going somewhere that is more open I can put on the 13 But my area I like the 12
Its very hard to ride around in first gear even in the tightest stuff but 2nd with the short gearing is pretty forgiving and has plenty of grunt for my#240 lbs
 
I used 13/52t sprockets and in tight woods it fires you into the undergrowth way too quick I changed to 13/48 and I am now a lot quicker. A healthy 200 should be able to hoik the front wheel at low revs with 13/48 no problems.

BUT this may now be down to the Rekluse :confused:

Experiment as to what suits your riding style. In my eyes 52 is really an MX sprocket, just my opinion but we all know opinions are like a**holes everyone has one! :D
 
On a 250, but I'm sure the same applies. I prefer the shorter gearing. Using 13/50 is just about right. The bikes still very ridable with 13/48 however by making it a bit shorter you avoid the click back to 1st as often, and I also find it just helps in keeping the bike on the boil in the taller gears. Ie you can change a bit earlier and still come into the meat of the power in the next gear as opposed to falling out of the band and then having to clutch it back up or wait for it to hit. Again, all just an opinion and probably more to do with how and where you ride more than anything else.
 
On a 250, but I'm sure the same applies. I prefer the shorter gearing. Using 13/50 is just about right. The bikes still very ridable with 13/48 however by making it a bit shorter you avoid the click back to 1st as often, and I also find it just helps in keeping the bike on the boil in the taller gears. Ie you can change a bit earlier and still come into the meat of the power in the next gear as opposed to falling out of the band and then having to clutch it back up or wait for it to hit. Again, all just an opinion and probably more to do with how and where you ride more than anything else.


The lanes i ride arent that quick (Well: i didnt think so ?), but my 250 came with 13/48 which i quickly changed to 14/48.

Im now thinking of going to 14/45 or 46 though in the near future. Alot of that is to do with the road miles i do to link riding areas though. Its utterly painful on 14/48 if you want to keep the revs down like i do. And ive not even got close to suffering in the muddy bits so far.

I cant imagine regulaly riding sections technical enough to need 13/50 though. Like you say "...Its just not where i ride....."
 
I have a 200 that has some motor mods performed, yes it will loft the front end to a degree.

One think to keep in mind is, the 200-300 is pretty much all the same bike, so the overall weight is pretty much the same. If 250 or 300 feels heavy, then the 200 is really close to the same weight with less hp and torque.

I think it would be safe to say that there is a difference in power delivery and overall power between a 200 and 250, and.....a 300! Riding a 300 monster after you've been on a 200 is a complete different program. I have plenty of seat time on Kevin's EC 300 and jumping from a 300 onto a 200 I can see how this guys is feeling like he is missing something......he is..about 99.6 cc's!

I am not sure if the gear box of the 200 uses the same gear box and overall ratio's as the 250 or 300?? I only ask this question because what other guys run on a 250 or 300 just might not work well on a 200.
I see there are several guys using a 12 tooth C/S sprocket....that seems a little tight for me, but who am I to judge what another person uses.

I agree with Hamilton, about the crisp jetting, tapping the clutch to clear trail trash.

The 200 likes to be ridden like a 125 on Red Bull, Yes the motor is very smooth and electric and linar, but it lacks overall robust, yes it can be lugged and will pull cleanly may require clutch work, or a down shift.

The area that I race and ride in is some what tight wooded single track, but nothing like back east, I have ridden in the PNW on my 200 and I was using 13/50 gearing.

I have used 13/48, 49, 50 and 51.

13/48 - requires to use first gear too much, I like to use first gear as a "bail out" and I don't like hitting netural.

13/49 - is pretty much the same as 48, but with a little less 1st gear work.

13/50 - seems to work really good, keeps you out of first gear most of the time, better use of 2-4 gears still maintains good topend speed for transfer sections and is alot more foregiving than the 13/48, meaning if you find your self in the wrong gear, a little feather of the clutch, and throttle can get you out.

13/51 - really works 3-5 gears, some topend lost, second and third become the work horse and 4th gets used much more. Less clutch use, but requires more shifting throught.

I have a 50 and 51 hanging in the shop, my go to gearing is 50, I feel it provides the best overall gearing for WHERE I RIDE AND MY STYLE.
If I lived in the PNW, I would be slapping on the 51 or larger based upon my time on the trials up there in Norther Oregon.

IMHO, after coming off a 300 and going to a 200 is going to require the pilot to change to a more aggresive riding style. You can ride a 200 like a 300, but your going to fall off the pipe, bogging the motor, be in the wrong gear and could be frustrated. The 200 likes to be attacked, aggressive style, ringing it out to a degree, on the pipe.....it begs for it and that robust motor can and will handle everything you dish out, just like it's bigger brothers.

One more thing...after watching your clip ( I love that type of riding area) not knowing what ignation you have, 2k2? 2k3? a flywheel weight might not be a bad idea for your area.....food for thought!
 
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Thanks for the input guys, appreciate it. I haven't checked the front sprocket yet, but it's stock...so probably 13t?

I should have included the typical terrain; tight and twisty with lots of roots/rocks/etc. If you want to see an example; here's a video from last weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtagoq9WULI

I'm thinking a switch to 50T will be worth it; should have decided that before giving my Xmas list...lol.
 
I have a 50 and 51 hanging in the shop, my go to gearing is 50, I feel it provides the best overall gearing for WHERE I RIDE AND MY STYLE.
If I lived in the PNW, I would be slapping on the 51 or larger based upon my time on the trials up there in Norther Oregon.

Thanks for that Rick, I was posting while you were and just saw this reply. I'm going to look for a 50T and go that route; my guess is it'll be perfect as I continue to learn how to ride the 200.

IMHO, after coming off a 300 and going to a 200 is going to require the pilot to change to a more aggressive riding style. You can ride a 200 like a 300, but your going to fall off the pipe, bogging the motor, be in the wrong gear and could be frustrated. The 200 likes to be attacked, aggressive style, ringing it out to a degree, on the pipe.....it begs for it and that robust motor can and will handle everything you dish out, just like it's bigger brothers.

I'm adapting to this each time I get out on her; ringing her out a little more this past weekend and found myself feeling much better. I'm definitely not fast, but I think a move to 50T will help me stay in 2nd gear most of the time and not hit those damn false neutrals as I shift (doh).

Oh yeah...this bike simply rocks :cool:
 
Thanks for that Rick, I was posting while you were and just saw this reply. I'm going to look for a 50T and go that route; my guess is it'll be perfect as I continue to learn how to ride the 200.



I'm adapting to this each time I get out on her; ringing her out a little more this past weekend and found myself feeling much better. I'm definitely not fast, but I think a move to 50T will help me stay in 2nd gear most of the time and not hit those damn false neutrals as I shift (doh).

Oh yeah...this bike simply rocks :cool:

That false neutral is a bugger, primary reason for going to a 50 or 51, makes first gear a "bail out" gear!

Good luck and happy trails!

A post ride report with the 50 or 51 will help others in the same boat.

Thanks
 
The lanes i ride arent that quick (Well: i didnt think so ?), but my 250 came with 13/48 which i quickly changed to 14/48.

Im now thinking of going to 14/45 or 46 though in the near future. Alot of that is to do with the road miles i do to link riding areas though. Its utterly painful on 14/48 if you want to keep the revs down like i do. And ive not even got close to suffering in the muddy bits so far.

I cant imagine regulaly riding sections technical enough to need 13/50 though. Like you say "...Its just not where i ride....."

Indeed it depends on the purpose.

I like to twist the throttle and keep the bike on the pipe when the trails open up. The shorter gearing helps with this.

Anything over 4th gear is really just a transport section to me (or firetrail) and I'm just as happy to roll off the throttle and mosey along. Its a means to an end. However, if I want to get on it and throw some dirt around or shred some knobs its still good for 120km/hr and cruises pretty well around 7000rpm around 100kms (max speed limit here on highways).

The riding I really enjoy is technical though with logs, roots and elevation changes. 2nd will pull from walking pace and respond well to clutch. 3rd will pull with some clutch abuse, and as Rick said, 1st is a bail out.
 
I'm not so sure the 200 shares the same gear box ratios as the 250's. Mine was stock with 12/48 ok for more open spaces. The trees grow close together around here. With 13/48 or 50 it would be a dog.
 
I also have a 2011 200 and the stock gearing is 12/48. I haven't riden it enough to decide but have considered 12/49 or 12/50

BTW I have a pile of excellent condition sprockets, you should buy some:D
 
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