GasGas 2010

[Leo]

What are comming?

Wave discs in all models?
2t electric starter as optional (and will fit on olds models)?
the 250F will have yamaha engine or gasgas engine?

What you guys think?

 

[mountain thumper]

i wouldnt care either way about disks, my brakes work fine..
thered better be an estart 2t, or the savings account set aside to buy a new gg will have to go towards an odd bike, new husaberg or ktm super enduro,maybe an rxv
i would hope gg would do their own motor, it could be based on the yami, but legally and technically distinctive.
dont most of the newer 250f bikes implode relatively quick, especially the ktms?

 

[skid jackson]

I still don't understand the 2t e start thing ....
yeah! yeah! yeah, I know all about e start ...
I had a drz with a button and no kicker ....
I understand about the convienence in certain situations ...
but I still don't see the need on a 300 or less 2t

 

[SpeedyManiac]

Go race the Romaniacs. For extreme enduro e-start is nice. Also for those of us with Rekluse clutches since we can't bump start them (saves time if the bike stalls on a downhill).

 

[AZRickD]

Rather than a 250F, I'd rather see a 350F.

 

[GMP]

Rather than a 250F, I'd rather see a 350F.

I've said this for years now. Why design yourself into a corner based on a displacement class derived from MX? A purpose built 350F (not a bored 250 or sleeved 450) would be better in every way, from engineering to function. As of now, the Yamaha 250F is the most sound motor of the lot. Most of the 250F horror stories are in MX where the bike is ridden on the limiter, and/or jump landings overreving the bike. While a GG motor would be nice, the Yamaha in the GG frame would be nothing to laugh at. An added bonus is that there are parts on every corner, so the parts supply myth suddenly has no weight at all when comparing it to a KTM.

To me one of the biggest bummers about e-start is the battery. Heavy, large, and mounted up high. The starter is no big deal as its low and is not rotating mass. I'd like to see some of the new lithium battery technologies applied to this application, small, light, and mounted low in the frame.

 

[mountain thumper]

Rather than a 250F, I'd rather see a 350F.

i agree here, i had an xr350 that was one of the most pleasing rides ive ever been on. a tad on the heavy side, but for a 20+ year old bike it was grand. thick, wide comfy seat, tall seat height was perfect for me, i have a 37" inseam. had bottom end all day. i rarely spun the tire on uphill starts. very little top end though.

for me the e start is a 2 part bonus.
1 when im in some thing gooey or deep and trying to start, its hard to stand up and kick without sinking my other foot in mud.
2 it will(logically) be a 12v dc -grd system from the factory, no need for annoying floating ground setups

 

[roostafish]

E-start........ My take is that if GG does it, I hope they bathe the dumb thing in oil like a 4t. The KTM e-start is a disaster. My brother in law has one, and it has failed, and failed again to the point that he has now removed it. I think it's brilliant in practice, but if I'm going to pay the penalty of weight, cost, etc.. I want it reliable. There's nothing like going for the button only to have the engine barely crank.

I also hope if they do e-start they take a look at losing some weight, the Kato is already lighter and that's with the electric start.

 

[SpeedyManiac]

Linkage = weight of electric starter. I'll take linkage.

The KTM electric starter on the two-strokes sucks. Doesn't work half the time since it's so underpowered.

 

[gasgasman]

You have to admit, KTM sold a crap load of bikes because of the e-start.
The casual weekend riders are looking for gimmics.

 

[SpeedyManiac]

Too bad the e-start barely works. My friend has a 2008 250XC-W and the starter works maybe half the time. Some times it gets stuff at TDC.

 

[tm_enduro]

I echo the comments that the KTM e-start on the 2Ts barely works. I've ridden 3 of the 250/300 bikes, and only one would start with the button.
If I had any wish list, it would be to put on HD rims (natural silver) that would take abuse, since most GG riders revel in rock and nasty trail riding conditions (especially for those of us that run Neutech or foamers).
TTX front and rear would be nice, but would put the price in the stratosphere.

 

[kim]

With regards to the KTM E start, we ended up doing a mod on my mate's bike (300).
The start motor earth strap was far too thin and limited the current. We simply fitted a larger wire and its been working sweet ever since.
I'm sure there is plenty of this talk going on at Thumpers.

I would love E start,1st for the Rekluse, 2nd for serious snotty terrain.

 

[J D]

With regards to the KTM E start, we ended up doing a mod on my mate's bike (300).
The start motor earth strap was far too thin and limited the current. We simply fitted a larger wire and its been working sweet ever since.
I'm sure there is plenty of this talk going on at Thumpers.

I would love E start,1st for the Rekluse, 2nd for serious snotty terrain.

Same here. I would love E-start, but without huge weight gain. KTM is fairly light. Gasser could shed a few pounds perhaps.

 

[kim]

Would make some sense to have the Estart as an option. If you don't want it it should easy to remove and if you do want it, it should be a simple bolt-on.
Most people are not real serious racers and for them the E start would be a great help.

Also instead of a battery, maybe a Super Capacitor could be used. These are somewhat lighter, but you might need to kick the bike first time in the morning until its gets charged sufficiently.

Most of my mates are fat assed lazy suckers who can't really ride and for them E start is a most have. And I guess thats why they are on big bore 4T

 

[spdfrek]

I don't understand needing e-start with a smoker, especially with a rekluse. Once I start the bike it doesn't quit unless I shut it off. Always fires off in one kick. Why bother with extra weight and such just for a tiny bit of ease?

 

[Skidad]

I guess the e-start argument will go on forever but I say bring it on. If you don't want it take it off or order the bike without. A well designed e-start with a lite weight lithium (which you can already get) battery should weigh 7lbs or even less. You would not even notice it. I can remember so many times when I'm just totally exhausted and noodle material in an enduro or long tough ride where I just keep stalling my bike or keep getting stuck. Sometimes I've been soooooo tired just trying to kick it over was difficult or the position of the bike was just crazy and you can't reach the kicker. This is the time when I'm REALLY wanting the button and it would be a godsend. Even Rekluse bikes do stall and if your on a hill in an awkward position the button would be awesome to have IMO. Hopefully GG will learn from KTM's mistakes in their design and make a fully relaible e-start system.

FWIW the 2010 KTM's have improved e-start systems but the better solution is to seal up the entire mechanism and run a little oil in it. Some have done this with good results so far. You can bash KTM all you want but I give them props for doing the e-start thing even it it's not perfect yet. It's also a step into the FI/direct injection territory that is probably the only hope of keeping the 2 stroke alive down the road.

 

[coolum74]

Go race the Romaniacs. For extreme enduro e-start is nice. Also for those of us with Rekluse clutches since we can't bump start them (saves time if the bike stalls on a downhill).

Fair point there but...Not much fun bumping a FSE with a slipper clutch in certain terrain. frustrating

PS, Voltage reg had failed and battery was fried..bad day

 

[gg3]

This has probably been discussed before,but is there any rumours about fuel injection on the 2T range?
I can see an e-start for extreme enduro guys being attractive.
As for me a coffee holder & pie warmer would be sweeet.

 

[gasser]

Ditto on the cup holder and pie warmer!